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What, an 8800GT? Yeah, someone with a GTX580 Twin Frozr III struggles to find the cash for one of those..
Hasn't it been proven that an 8800GT or other low end (older) cards actually make things worse than just running it on the new 400/500 series card alone?
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I'll do PhysX Crossfire with my 4870 and 8600GTS if I must.
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can physx be embedded into an OS. I'll use aero as an example of what i mean.
has there been anything like that ?
Like on microsoft's surface tablet, you can throw around files and they will hit another folder or file and move that too
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Why doesn't nVidia just create a cheap dedicated physX card? I mean, if its proprietary to nvidia, they should be able to make a card thats not suitable as a primary GPU but would be cheap and possibly optimized for physX? I don't know much about physX and don't care really at all, so I won't read up into it, a waste of time. But to me, buying a $150 GPU and then forking out another $100 or so for physX seems silly, can they not create a card that can be optimized for PhysX only that can't be used as a regular GPU and make it very cheap? CHEAP.

Seriously, if a single game came out and said: "to get the most out of our game you have to buy or proprietary graphics card to add to your system and it will cost $70" most people would be flipping out calling that game developer insane and just looking for money from dumb people... Well, in all honesty, with how few games PhysX is supported in, its close to that in my mind... PhysX has been around for years... and we get about 1 game per year that seems to use it...

I see no big difference from what PhysX is and my made up scenario, aside from the fact that a lot of people LOVE physX but would never accept the made up part... funny...
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Why doesn't nVidia just create a cheap dedicated physX card? I mean, if its proprietary to nvidia, they should be able to make a card thats not suitable as a primary GPU but would be cheap and possibly optimized for physX? I don't know much about physX and don't care really at all, so I won't read up into it, a waste of time. But to me, buying a $150 GPU and then forking out another $100 or so for physX seems silly, can they not create a card that can be optimized for PhysX only that can't be used as a regular GPU and make it very cheap? CHEAP.

Seriously, if a single game came out and said: "to get the most out of our game you have to buy or proprietary graphics card to add to your system and it will cost $70" most people would be flipping out calling that game developer insane and just looking for money from dumb people... Well, in all honesty, with how few games PhysX is supported in, its close to that in my mind... PhysX has been around for years... and we get about 1 game per year that seems to use it...

I see no big difference from what PhysX is and my made up scenario, aside from the fact that a lot of people LOVE physX but would never accept the made up part... funny...
That's because the made up part doesn't make sense. You can use any CUDA enabled GPU for Physx. A GTX460 can run pretty much all Physx games on it's own.
    
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That's because the made up part doesn't make sense. You can use any CUDA enabled GPU for Physx. A GTX460 can run pretty much all Physx games on it's own.
But what I'm saying is, if there was a cheap to make, stripped down graphics card they could sell and its only purpose was running PhysX it would make PhysX cheap to implement and the amount of people who could afford it would go up. Think about how many computers are sold with mediocre dedicated cards or no dedicated cards vs comps shipped with gaming quality GPU's... high end is the minority, so forking out the extra cash for PhysX isn't a viable choice for many.

And how doesn't the made up scenario not make sense? It's like Guitar Hero requiring you to use a Guitar and not allowing a controller at all. Your forced to buy the guitar extra to play the game. In order to get the most out of a PhysX title you need a PhysX capable card. So why does my made up scenario not make sense, since its essentially the same thing?

All I'm saying is that if a Game Dev forced people to buy an actual GPU from them to get all the extras of a game, people would be raging, yet when you think about it in a broader sense, thats pretty close to how PhysX is right now. Very few titles use it, but you need to spend extra cash to access it, if you don't already have a card that supports it or if the card is strong enough to use it.

I just thought a small, cheap PhysX only card, if viable, would make PhysX more available to a broader audience, and it would then make sense for game dev's to even consider it.

But as it is right now, especially if your a low end user or an AMD/ATI user, PhysX is simply not worth the money, as it is a novelty at best based on its use and requires decent hardware to utilize properly. When you compare it to similar situations as I'm doing, it just seems like a joke and an epic fail.

Just for the record, the little I do know about PhysX makes me like it for what it does, but when thinking about the situation as a whole, I think others had it right when they were saying its just marketing buzz, little else.

(and before people freak out on me stating all the benefits PhysX brings to the table, I don't mean that PhysX is junk and only useful in marketing, I just think how its implemented seals its fate as an unused wasted effort.)
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Why is this stupid preparatory software still alive?
This. It's not that I don't like nV, my last 2 cards were nV. I just don't want to be left out of a game because it's designed for and will only run well on nV cards. I'm not going to buy an nv card just so i don't though... it's whatever is better cost/performance. Maybe i'll use my old 88 as a physx card... but i dont wanna.... boo proprietary crapware.
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(and before people freak out on me stating all the benefits PhysX brings to the table, I don't mean that PhysX is junk and only useful in marketing, I just think how its implemented seals its fate as an unused wasted effort.)
This is exactly why I have a problem with it!

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ATI card? Problem with Physx? Blame AMD. They twice had the chance.
Dude, your are kidding right? The rug can be pulled out in MANY MANY ways. nVidia will claim that AMD cards can't run it as well as they will get 50% or 20% of the performance of an nVidia card. nVidia would not agree to make "AMD cards as efficient as nVidia" cards because they would claim they have no control over this. Then, if PhysX ever becomes mainstream, AMD is ****ed.

As I said, agreeing to join in on a product that your DIRECT COMPETITOR has full control over is market suicide.
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Man, you all jelly of my 8500GT for Physx.
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lol i prefer nvidia to ati, but I agree that physx should die. Id rather the large amount of unused processor I have in most games handle physics calculations.
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