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I know that in Europe and North America all three games were released on the exact same day, can't speak for the rest of the world, and the games bought by rental places are meaningless in the big scheme of things, and it's not like you can rent games everywhere too, here in France you can't as that's illegal.
I'm in the States. Just live in a rural community 3 hours from the city. As a result our games don't come out at the same time as everyone elses. And we only have one place to get PC games but have 10 rental places... make that 9 rental places as Hollywood Video went belly up last Summer.

Which is why I love Steam.

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I know that in Europe and North America all three games were released on the exact same day, can't speak for the rest of the world, and the games bought by rental places are meaningless in the big scheme of things, and it's not like you can rent games everywhere too, here in France you can't as that's illegal.



They know that their game is more designed for the PC market but when the 360 version is released and if it sells substantially more, you can bet that the Witcher 3 will be a console port.
Why would it be? If you can sell well on consoles while designing for PCs you might as well lead on the PC.
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We only had Console versions available in my area. So I'm not sure how you figure that but okay if you say so.

And as I also pointed out there are other variables involved. Rental places will buy MULTIPLE copies knowing full well that's their bread and butter. Hmmm wonder if they rent PC games?

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Probably because those games came out for Console long before they came out for PC?

Naaaaaaaw that couldn't have anything to do with it.

I think when you make statements comparing sales one must take into account when applications are made available for all platforms. That goes for PC sales as well as console sales comparisons. Also, most of the gamers I know don't run out and buy the newest content at launch. My friends and I typically look to rent console games before we buy. PC Games are a little different of course. Buying from Steam when they have a sale going on is the other way to go since most games nowadays seem to be specifically for console and ported to PC. Why would anyone in their right mind rush out to buy a PC game at $60 on launch when they can wait and hate the game later on for ~$30.

See, even then you cannot begin to compare sales figures from Console to PC and vice versa.

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Except that all three were released at the exact same time.
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I know that in Europe and North America all three games were released on the exact same day, can't speak for the rest of the world, and the games bought by rental places are meaningless in the big scheme of things, and it's not like you can rent games everywhere too, here in France you can't as that's illegal.



They know that their game is more designed for the PC market but when the 360 version is released and if it sells substantially more, you can bet that the Witcher 3 will be a console port.
This^.

The games were released in the US all on the same day. I know because of the random fact that they (Fallout: 3 and Fallout: NV) are the only two games that I have gotten on release day.
 
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duh?

There are way more console gamers, ofc it is the leading platform.....
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Probably because those games came out for Console long before they came out for PC?

Naaaaaaaw that couldn't have anything to do with it.

I think when you make statements comparing sales one must take into account when applications are made available for all platforms. That goes for PC sales as well as console sales comparisons. Also, most of the gamers I know don't run out and buy the newest content at launch. My friends and I typically look to rent console games before we buy. PC Games are a little different of course. Buying from Steam when they have a sale going on is the other way to go since most games nowadays seem to be specifically for console and ported to PC. Why would anyone in their right mind rush out to buy a PC game at $60 on launch when they can wait and hate the game later on for ~$30.

See, even then you cannot begin to compare sales figures from Console to PC and vice versa.

~Ceadder
Umm.. All of those games were released on all platforms on the same date.. At least in North America.

You have a really bad habit of passing personal preference off as everyone's preference and passing your experiences off as everyone else's. Just because you or your friends (who could totally be made up to strengthen your argument) do it, does not mean it's how everyone feels. A lot of people will go out and buy a game on day one because it looks great. Hell.. ever heard of pre-orders? People buying the games before they're even released.. Yep, no one does that, ever.

Now.. I may have misread your post a little bit. It's hard to tell exactly what you're saying. You seem to be grasping at straws at this point.
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New Flash people. Fallout 3 and New Vegas were also ports. We still had the better version. Skyrim PC will still be the better version and we still get the Creation Kit.
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Yeah game are made with functionality in mind but lets be honest. Just because they're made with multiple platforms in mind, they're still developed on PC and until that changes games are still Ported. As you are well aware, games have to work smoothly for developers. Otherwise they don't see the light of day at the end result. I don't know what happens to PC controls, but I would surmise some twit in developing somehow rationalized that PC gamers wouldn't be interested in playing some of these games so the PC controls are removed/misplaced resulting in backward Porting to get PCs' the ability to play these games.

Case in point. Grand Theft Auto IV. Developed 100% on PC. Rockstar didn't even think that they would offer it for PC for whatever reason. PC Gamers got in their ear about it and they Ported over to PC. Only now the controls suck and it's a known problem amongst EVERY gamer around the world. People will still play if but the original controls were lost and we know why.

I don't care if you the developer wants to make things accessible for everyone. That's fine, I welcome that. It keeps gaming moving forward. just don't do stupid shiz and throw out perfectly decent controls requiring a last minute crash build of new control features. THAT is what irks me the most.

Until games are developed 100% on Console for all platforms do not piss the Gaming community by ignoring the PC crowd.

Also just cause I'm on OCN doesn't mean my bros are on OCN or have limited hardware because they aren't on OCN. PC Gamers are a much larger group than OCN. I've got friends who have 570, 5970, 6950 cards that aren't even affiliated with a site. And they're just as disenfranchised as myself with the lack of content for their systems. Most of us are Students and would rather put out money into the ability to do everything on one platform. This includes research for assignments. Something you CANNOT do on Console.

A few of us only have Consoles cause we can't get some of the titles for PC. Metal Gear, Gears of War etc. I won't complain about that because that's how Sony, MicroSoft and Nintendo pull in a Quarter of their Console sales. You have to love the Console Fanbois who won't play on any other platform but their precious singular franchise "_(pick one)_" console. I don't speak for all of us but given the chance to own a PC title or a Console title I'd rather have PC.

~Ceadder
Almost every game made is developed ON a PC. That doesn't mean it will even run on a PC though, the two are unrelated. When you're developing for consoles you're simply programming from the PC, and when you run the program is sends it to the dev-kit and runs on the console itself. For things like handhelds (iPhone) they will often have emulators that will run on the PC so you aren't constantly have to sync the program to the handheld just to see it work.

As for multi-platform games with terrible control schemes on the PC, there is no excuse for that, it's just a sign of developers being lazy in that case.

I'm also not saying PC enthusiasts are the only group with nice hardware, but I'm willing to bet 90% of gamers that buy nice computers buy them pre-built and simply buy games they like and play them. It's a small and rare crowd that does stuff like get on a forum and complain about the lack of DX11 support in Crysis 2.

Also, there are important reasons to own a PC that are unrelated to gaming, but a lot of gamers prefer to buy a system that costs $500 or less and will not need to be upgraded for 5+ years. Also, with consoles you rarely have to deal with issues from the OS, viruses/malware, driver issues, etc. Casual gamers like the ease of owning a console, where enthusiasts are willing to deal with those issues to have top-of-the-line hardware.
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I forgot is BFE Washington in the States or what? Just cause YOU got it don't mean we ALL got it. Holy hell people.

I live in BUM FAPPED EGYPT WASHINGTON STATE USA, three hours from civilization. It was NOT available to me on release day. I suspect that it was like this around much of the country. But I wouldn't know I never served in the Military and wasn't stationed in cushy civilized towns like Pascagoula, MS or Killeen, TX. Seriously folks I'm happy to have been wrong on the fact that it was the same day but we didn't have it here for a few months.

And as pointed out there are other variables that drive the sales figures.

Lack of demand due to crap porting in a lot of cases to PC could be just one of the variables.

You're right those games were available in most civilized corners of the globe. Unfortunately for me I don't like in one of them.

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I'm in the States. Just live in a rural community 3 hours from the city. As a result our games don't come out at the same time as everyone elses. And we only have one place to get PC games but have 10 rental places... make that 9 rental places as Hollywood Video went belly up last Summer.

Which is why I love Steam.

~Ceadder
Wow..

Really?

Games come out for everyone here in the states.. at the same.. exact.. time. I live in the middle of nowhere and I even have members here that can justify that, but we can still obtain the latest and greatest. We have NO rental places aside from a Redbox at the local Price Chopper, which only rents out movies. What a bull**** ass excuse that just confirms you're grasping at straws.

Also, learn to not butcher the English language. I could have understood if you were foreign, but the fact you live right here in the states makes it inexcusable. I may not have perfect grammar, but I still try my hardest.
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