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I really hope that Bulldozer gives SB a run for its money. Why?

1. Lower costs for upcoming CPUs.
2. Kicks the competition in the rear end to do their best at a reasonable price.
3. AMD always provides decent CPUs at a fair price, I respect them for that.
4. More competition in the mobo market meaning better products at lower prices.
5. I get to look like a nice Intel fanboy by saying good things about AMD.
    
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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post
EDIT: Disappointing cinebench it seems, for some reason........
I highly doubt AMD would release something like this. Then again, it is a B0 stepping (performance issues).... and they aren't releasing B0s.
They won't, it's impossible they would release a product like that. Stop panicking people, it's just B0.
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Originally Posted by UrbanSmooth View Post
I really hope that Bulldozer gives SB a run for its money. Why?

1. Lower costs for upcoming CPUs.
2. Kicks the competition in the rear end to do their best at a reasonable price.
3. AMD always provides decent CPUs at a fair price, I respect them for that.
4. More competition in the mobo market meaning better products at lower prices.
5. I get to look like a nice Intel fanboy by saying good things about AMD.
AMD are known for low prices on the CPU, but I feel that the FX series will be pricey
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post #194 of 275
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post
Did I say bulldozer was a single core cpu? All I said is that its not 8 full cores. The same as HT isn't 8 full cores on a i7. Its already been noted that through the design the performance of each core is lowed so that more cores could be added to the die space.

Maybe I should take a break, it seems no new information is coming out anyways and all we're hearing now is why its requiring 8 cores to match 4 without HT.
Actually, if Bulldozer was 8 full cores that would kind of suck because you would just have a few cores sitting around doing nothing for most applications and games. That is basically the problem AMD's current six core chips. I mean, most home users are not using their personal computers as corporate domain controllers or file servers.

The beauty of Sandy-Bridge is that its variant of hyper-threading allows for the individual cores that are actually being used to behave more like they are multiple cores, while actually being fully utilized.

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They won't, it's impossible they would release a product like that.
Very unlikely, but I would not say impossible.
    
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Originally Posted by xd_1771 View Post
EDIT: Disappointing cinebench it seems, for some reason........
I highly doubt AMD would release something like this. Then again, it is a B0 stepping (performance issues).... and they aren't releasing B0s.
I don't think they will release it in that state.

However my concern is the per core performance is quite low. Another concern is that 4GHz required 1.4v, not sure how accurate that was though. But we're talking about 32nm now, it probably won't have the same 1.55v threshold as Phenom II.

What I'm really wondering is if a stepping or two can fix that. Typically don't stepping(s) just help the power usage as well as allowing higher clocks?

Maybe there is something broken inside that needs to be reengineered, if so - how long will that take to fix, and have new wafers created, then retest those.

Its below thuban currently in performance, with two additional cores. Could there be a problem in the design itself?
    
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I don't think they will release it in that state.

However my concern is the per core performance is quite low. Another concern is that 4GHz required 1.4v, not sure how accurate that was though. But we're talking about 32nm now, it probably won't have the same 1.55v threshold as Phenom II.

What I'm really wondering is if a stepping or two can fix that. Typically don't stepping(s) just help the power usage as well as allowing higher clocks?

Maybe there is something broken inside that needs to be reengineered, if so - how long will that take to fix, and have new wafers created, then retest those.

Its below thuban currently in performance, with two additional cores. Could there be a problem in the design itself?
And yet server is launching on time
post #197 of 275
And that doesn't make you wonder? There can't be a huge difference between server and desktop design.

Also Bulldozer was on time until pretty close to release, when it was delayed for another 2-3 months.
    
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i want my bd but i also want it to NOT be slower then my thuban
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I don't think they will release it in that state.

However my concern is the per core performance is quite low. Another concern is that 4GHz required 1.4v, not sure how accurate that was though. But we're talking about 32nm now, it probably won't have the same 1.55v threshold as Phenom II.

What I'm really wondering is if a stepping or two can fix that. Typically don't stepping(s) just help the power usage as well as allowing higher clocks?

Maybe there is something broken inside that needs to be reengineered, if so - how long will that take to fix, and have new wafers created, then retest those.

Its below thuban currently in performance, with two additional cores. Could there be a problem in the design itself?
I'd like to believe that the cores run so cool that they can clock them at 10 GHz, thus beating Sandy Bridge, or that maybe AMD will include new type of heat sink that contains a liquid nitrogen element. I don't think this will be the case, though.
    
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