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In all 1st person shooters you play the role of someone. This doesn't make them rpg's. They're still fps's.

The main differentiator for me is: does your character level up by gaining xp.

Half life is a shooter with a story.
Then Fallout 3 is a FPS with an experience system...

See i can be narrow-minded as well.
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Don't bother with Fable 3, it's terrible. Get the Witcher 2.
I was afraid of that.

Anything worth noting on Two Worlds 2?

I think we have all established that HL is not an RPG nor does it meet the criterea that I am looking for. Lets not derail this thread please. If we have differences of opinions about games and content, please take those discusions to PM's if they do not contain actual information that would affect my decision. Debating for the sake of it and name calling does not help me.

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Then Fallout 3 is a FPS with an experience system...

See i can be narrow-minded as well.
That is totaly unnecesary and not helpfull at all. Please refrain from posting in this thread if you are not going to offer anything usefull.
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In all 1st person shooters you play the role of someone. This doesn't make them rpg's. They're still fps's.

The main differentiator for me is: does your character level up by gaining xp.

Half life is a shooter with a story.
It is incorrect to think that RPGs = game with leveling system.

RPG is defined as a role-playing game. You are playing a role of a character who is not yourself. You are making decisions within that character's shoes and world view. Your choices have an effect on the world and its inhabitants.

XP, leveling, customization, etc - all that exists to give RPGs a combat system. The roots for these systems is from the original PnP RPGs - you can't use a mouse and fire a bow at enemies when you are playing a board game. If it weren't for PnP games, we may very well not even have leveling systems today.

So, long story short, Half-Life 1/2 can indeed be RPGs if you weren't just playing out someone else's script. That is, if Valve introduced the choice between saving Earth or joining the Combine (among many other smaller choices leading up to this climax) then they've created an RPG. You are correct that it is an FPS with a more developed story than say Doom or Quake or Unreal Tournament, but you are arguing it is not an RPG from an incorrect perspective.

Let's take a look at it in the reverse - Diablo II and other hack n slash games. They have XP, leveling, potions, swords, magic, etc, but no decisions of your own (other than whether to kill the red guy or the blue guy first). Guess what? Not RPGs. You aren't playing out any role - you are just killing massive numbers of enemies like in an FPS but using a different combat system. They specifically differentiate these games as "hack n' slash" because they are not RPGs in the slightest - they just do combat similarly (sort of).
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A role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[1] Actions taken within the game succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[2]

There are several forms of RPG. The original form, sometimes called the pen-and-paper RPG, is conducted through discussion, whereas in live action role-playing games (LARP) players physically perform their characters' actions.[3] In both of these forms, an arranger called a game master (GM) usually decides on the rules and setting to be used and acts as referee, while each of the other players plays the role of a single character.[4]

Several varieties of RPG also exist in electronic media, including multi-player text-based MUDs and their graphics-based successors, massively multiplayer online role-playing games (MMORPGs). Role-playing games also include single-player offline role-playing video games in which players control a character or team who undertake quests, and whose capabilities advance using statistical mechanics. These games often share settings and rules with pen-and-paper RPGs, but emphasize character advancement more than collaborative storytelling.[5][6]

Despite this variety of forms, some game forms such as trading card games and wargames that are related to role-playing games may not be included. Role-playing activity may sometimes be present in such games, but it is not the primary focus.[7] The term is also sometimes used to describe roleplay simulation games and exercises used in teaching, training, and academic research.
Wikipedia says it best.
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It is incorrect to think that RPGs = game with leveling system.

RPG is defined as a role-playing game. You are playing a role of a character who is not yourself. You are making decisions within that character's shoes and world view. Your choices have an effect on the world and its inhabitants.

XP, leveling, customization, etc - all that exists to give RPGs a combat system. The roots for these systems is from the original PnP RPGs - you can't use a mouse and fire a bow at enemies when you are playing a board game. If it weren't for PnP games, we may very well not even have leveling systems today.

So, long story short, Half-Life 1/2 can indeed be RPGs if you weren't just playing out someone else's script. That is, if Valve introduced the choice between saving Earth or joining the Combine (among many other smaller choices leading up to this climax) then they've created an RPG. You are correct that it is an FPS with a more developed story than say Doom or Quake or Unreal Tournament, but you are arguing it is not an RPG from an incorrect perspective.

Let's take a look at it in the reverse - Diablo II and other hack n slash games. They have XP, leveling, potions, swords, magic, etc, but no decisions of your own (other than whether to kill the red guy or the blue guy first). Guess what? Not RPGs. You aren't playing out any role - you are just killing massive numbers of enemies like in an FPS but using a different combat system. They specifically differentiate these games as "hack n' slash" because they are not RPGs in the slightest - they just do combat similarly (sort of).
Useless post is useless? If you want to debate symantics then please take it to a PM. I will not ask again. Any further posts not offering consrtuctive feedback on games to choose and/or information about games will be reported to mods as clutter and spam.

If you have a game to recomend then simply follow these simple rules :
-Say the name of the game
-Breif description of why you think the game should be recomended

It's not hard. I am not being demanding. I shouldn't have say this.
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In X you play the role of Y, there is a story, interaction with other characters, a plot, and a world to explore
Hey, you just described 95% of videogames.

GTA Vice City also has a story, you play the role of Tommy Vercetti, you interact with a lot of characters that give you quests and side quests and you have a world to explore.
Oh crap, I just found out that Grand Theft Auto is actually an action RPG.
     
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If you have a game to recomend then simply follow these simple rules :
-Say the name of the game
-Breif description of why you think the game should be recomended
The Witcher 1 and 2, like everybody said. The first one takes a bit of time to actually like it but in the end I personally loved it, also it's good to know some backstory before playing the second. You could also try Fallout 3/New Vegas, it's not magic and swords but I liked them.

Also, I'd REALLY recommend you Demon's Souls and the Final Fantasy series if you had a PS3, you can find a lot of RPGs (almost always japs) that are Playstation or console exclusive. I think some of the older FF made it to PC but I don't remember exactly which (7 and 8 I think?)

EDIT: ARGH sorry for the double post
     
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Update on the demos :
-Silverfall refuses to run via steam, going to try to find the demo elsewhere later.
-Divinity II was very odd feeling. Felt like I should just be spamming the jump. Ran slow on my computer for some reason and felt like a very very cheap mmo minus being online.
-Last Remnant not my cup of tea at all.
-Risen still in process of playing, slightly mixed feelings atm.

Wish there was a demo for The Witcher II.
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Game gets bonus points for gore and dismemberment!
The Witcher 2 has dismemberment if you look carefully
 
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Quickkkk!!!! http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/sacred_gold

Sacred gold on offer for $5 DRM Free, Run round kill stuff collect 9438538459374593734573864375846 different items and lvl up to 200

Im sure theres something i played recently too but i cant remember what it is
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