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Yes it will.The 2700k will be out soon and it will be the same price or 10 bucks more.
In what way does that make the same exact chip obsolete? You realize they have unlocked multi's meaning that a 2500k and 2700k are essentially identical, right?
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If they can match Nehalem's core for core performance (or even slightly under) with 4.5Ghz+ overclocks, then they have a clear winner IMO.

If Bulldozer matched Sandybridge's core for core performance, then their top end CPU wouldn't be $320, it would be something absurd like $700+.
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post #193 of 285
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If they can match Nehalem's core for core performance (or even slightly under) with 4.5Ghz+ overclocks, then they have a clear winner IMO.

If Bulldozer matched Sandybridge's core for core performance, then their top end CPU wouldn't be $320, it would be something absurd like $700+.
This, that's what i'm looking for.

SB-like IPC is not quite possible on 8 cores (even if they aren't full fledged core) for AMD.

If AMD can keep IPC slightly lower on its CPU than intel's while providing more cores and similar overclockability, they're back in the high end game.
post #194 of 285
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SB-like IPC is not quite possible on 8 cores (even if they aren't full fledged core) for AMD.

Of course it's possible for AMD to have SB-like and Nehalem-like IPC (they're about the same)


Just not with this architecture approach.


I recall AMD saying this cores weren't all-in-x86-brutality but rather more 'optimised' architectures to collaborate better with the GPU and approach the unification of both, in order to use the GPU to help the CPU and viceversa.


But there's so many rumors out there I don't really know what to think what BD is about now
   
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Of course it's possible for AMD to have SB-like and Nehalem-like IPC (they're about the same)
It's not possible right now I mean, AMD doesn't have unlimited R&D funds and they are several generations late.

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Just not with this architecture approach.


I recall AMD saying this cores weren't all-in-x86-brutality but rather more 'optimised' architectures to collaborate better with the GPU and approach the unification of both, in order to use the GPU to help the CPU and viceversa.


But there's so many rumors out there I don't really know what to think what BD is about now
I don't know about that, but it sure fits Trinity (BD+GPU).
post #196 of 285
To me it looks like AMD are focusing on the APU, rather than a very speedy architecture.
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As I look at my aging C2 stepping PHII 965 I consider the things that I think need improving the most . I then speculate on what I would do if were charged with making an update to it.
Considering the things I do with it , I would concentrate on making it less power hungry, make it run cooler and improve the IMC to get the most from the ram that is currently available. As far as boosting pure computational power, I think for the time being , we may have reached a point of diminishing returns ( e-peen measuring activities being the exception). I'm quite happy with the day to day performance my current rig provides.

Given AMD's ability to innovate, I would expect a multitude of improvements ( that Intel will eventually emulate and with massive R&D will improve to a point beyond AMD's capability ) that would effect daily use with the upcoming release of Bulldozer. I'm also supremely confident that it will offer more "power" than I will actually use in 99% of the things I will use it for.
I expect it to provide value that will keep the competition's prices in check . I also expect innovations and performance that will keep motivating Intel to improve its product. As such, Bulldozer will be a win for everyone that uses these machines, no matter what brand you choose to purchase.
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As I look at my aging C2 stepping PHII 965 I consider the things that I think need improving the most . I then speculate on what I would do if were charged with making an update to it.
Considering the things I do with it , I would concentrate on making it less power hungry, make it run cooler and improve the IMC to get the most from the ram that is currently available. As far as boosting pure computational power, I think for the time being , we may have reached a point of diminishing returns ( e-peen measuring activities being the exception). I'm quite happy with the day to day performance my current rig provides.

Given AMD's ability to innovate, I would expect a multitude of improvements ( that Intel will eventually emulate and with massive R&D will improve to a point beyond AMD's capability ) that would effect daily use with the upcoming release of Bulldozer. I'm also supremely confident that it will offer more "power" than I will actually use in 99% of the things I will use it for.
I expect it to provide value that will keep the competition's prices in check . I also expect innovations and performance that will keep motivating Intel to improve its product. As such, Bulldozer will be a win for everyone that uses these machines, no matter what brand you choose to purchase.
Agree with this post,plain and simple Amd could produce chips that would blow Intel out of the water, BUT as An AMD rep said on this forum befor and they have else were too-If we do than the consumer will pay the price for that cpu. It is realy a mute point as long as they keep improveing there product. You want to save some cash or you dont.
    
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It's bull****.AMD allready earlier this year say Bulldozer will be 50% faster than Deneb.
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Agree with this post,plain and simple Amd could produce chips that would blow Intel out of the water, BUT as An AMD rep said on this forum befor and they have else were too-If we do than the consumer will pay the price for that cpu. It is realy a mute point as long as they keep improveing there product. You want to save some cash or you dont.
And Intel could produce chips that would blow those out of the water. Their R&D budget is in a different league, they're already putting out a consumer product with 3d transistors next year. It'd be pretty crazy to think they aren't holding some card up their sleeve.
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