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Originally Posted by Chewy;13987501 
Im not linking bulldozer to phenom II in anyway here.

Im talking about facts. Amd are not releasing bulldozer to compete with intels high end nehalems, And on that basis it is extremely unlikely bulldozer will topple a 990x
..And the 990X is only faster than the 2600k when you use all of its cores...And if the 990X is at 4.2-4.4Ghz while the SB is at 5Ghz, the difference is tiny.

If AMD are going to compete with the 2600k/a future 2700k/2800k using BD then they'll match/beat the 990X.
    
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I don't compute how people still base performance numbers on engineering samples, and dare qualify a product a failure upon those.

Engineering samples are there to test compatibilties with board OEMs, OS compats and so on, as JF-AMD stated they are usually very well below the final product performance.

If we had to judge equally, we'd say IB will be a massively tremendous utterfailure because ESs run at 1.8GHz as for now.
   
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Originally Posted by Artikbot;13988160 
I don't compute how people still base performance numbers on engineering samples, and dare qualify a product a failure upon those.

Engineering samples are there to test compatibilties with board OEMs, OS compats and so on, as JF-AMD stated they are usually very well below the final product performance.

If we had to judge equally, we'd say IB will be a massively tremendous utterfailure because ESs run at 1.8GHz as for now.

This has been back and forth and back and forth and back and forth for TOO LONG.

ES CPU's that are as close to release as these (within 60 days) should be darn near final silicon. Those of you that think performance is going to improve by 50% with a single revision are delusional.

With every prior CPU launch, overclockers have often sought out ES CPU's because of the fact that they are some of the better binned chips out there used to showcase performance.

Supposedly, we're only 2 months from launch so we'll just have to wait and see what AMD has up their sleeve. They sure aren't publicly denouncing these rumored benchmarks and you would THINK that if these preliminary results were seriously undermining the true power of BD, AMD would come out and say something about it to stop people from going Sandy Bridge.
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Originally Posted by kidwolf909;13988463 
ES CPU's that are as close to release as these (within 60 days) should be darn near final silicon. Those of you that think performance is going to improve by 50% with a single revision are delusional.

Mind telling us how you know this for a fact?
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Originally Posted by kidwolf909;13988463 

ES CPU's that are as close to release as these (within 60 days) should be darn near final silicon. Those of you that think performance is going to improve by 50% with a single revision are delusional.

There is no single revision that you speak about. Chiphell's Sample Benchmarks are of an ES B0 stepping Bulldozer/Zambezei. The 8130P will be released in B2 stepping while the 8150P will be released in C0 stepping. This isn't a single revision. Please check your facts before you post.
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;13988497 
Mind telling us how you know this for a fact?

I do not know this for a fact, but many of us that have been around the block through several CPU releases have a pretty good idea of the timeline between ES and retail.

Also, straight from Intel:
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Engineering sample processors (also known as ES processors) are not intended to be offered for sale or resale to the general public. ES processors are considered "Intel Confidential" processors and are only to be used within Intel or by AUTHORIZED personnel outside of Intel for purposes of testing, evaluating, and/or pre-configuring systems. Every ES processor that is "Loaned" outside of Intel is done so under strict contractual agreements or Non-Disclosure Agreements (NDA) to assure the protection of Intel's intellectual property and the unit during the time it is "Loaned" out.

ES processors are available to those who qualify for, and obtain, an NDA. An Intel® Authorized Distributor can assist with the application to obtain an NDA. There are no other means to obtain sample processors from Intel Customer Support. Engineering sample processors are designed and built like normal processors, but offer additional features for testing purposes. These processors are not packaged or labeled for sale to consumers, and may incur damage when tested by system builders.

Unless there is another bug in the architecture with an impact similar to Phenom's TLB bug, I can't imagine these ES CPU's being too far off from retail.
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There is no single revision that you speak about. Chiphell's Sample Benchmarks are of an ES B0 stepping Bulldozer/Zambezei. The 8130P will be released in B2 stepping while the 8150P will be released in C0 stepping. This isn't a single revision. Please check your facts before you post.

Remember when the Phenom II 965 went from B2 to C0? Remember how performance improved dramatically and it suddenly started to compete with Core i7?

... didn't think so.

*Strictly my observations* but typically, revisions within the same letter (B1 => B2) are typically very slight anyway... mere adjustments in the manufacturing process. From one revision to another (B => C), it's usually just a refinement of the manufacturing process that is significant enough to increase yield and lower leakage/TDP.
Edited by kidwolf909 - 6/24/11 at 7:00am
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Originally Posted by kidwolf909;13988631 
I do not know this for a fact, but many of us that have been around the block through several CPU releases have a pretty good idea of the timeline between ES and retail.

Also, straight from Intel:



Unless there is another bug in the architecture with an impact similar to Phenom's TLB bug, I can't imagine these ES CPU's being too far off from retail.



Remember when the Phenom II 965 went from B2 to C0? Remember how performance improved dramatically and it suddenly started to compete with Core i7?

... didn't think so.

*Strictly my observations* but typically, revisions within the same letter (B1 => B2) are typically very slight anyway... mere adjustments in the manufacturing process. From one revision to another (B => C), it's usually just a refinement of the manufacturing process that is significant enough to increase yield and lower leakage/TDP.

AMD isn't Intel.
Bulldozer is a whole different processor,it also has more than one ES revision.
It seems like you're basing your assumptions off of Phenom I&II.
The Phenom II revision only improved CPU & NB overclocks,yet you're some how comparing it to a i7 just because of a revision?
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;13989066 
AMD isn't Intel.
Bulldozer is a whole different processor,it also has more than one ES revision.
It seems like you're basing your assumptions off of Phenom I&II.
The Phenom II revision only improved CPU & NB overclocks,yet you're some how comparing it to a i7 just because of a revision?

I'm not comparing the two by any means. I am mocking your belief that a revision will improve performance enough to bring BD up to par... hence the "didn't think so."

Anyway, we'll just have to wait and see. There's not much sense in arguing because, let's face it, we're both stubborn in our beliefs.

I am simply sick and tired of waiting for AMD to pull their heads out of their butts and release some real numbers or provide a firm release date. Plus, I am confident that BD still won't compete with SB in games/single-threaded apps (again, strictly my opinion and I'm not trying to push it on you).
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Originally Posted by Heavy MG;13988497 
Mind telling us how you know this for a fact?

If you're hoping for a release date within the near future you better pray that that is actually a fact. I don't think you understand the massive amount of work that goes into testing and validating a product before release. With each new revision those tests must be re-run to ensure that the product the consumer sees is as close to error free as possible, and reliable. This process takes weeks.

In addition, it's common practice to ship retail examples of hardware to review sites and testers so that they can release reviews right at the time of product release. All these things considered, I think we can safely assume that they are close, if not already at final release stepping.
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