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They already have! My own fault.. I deserve it for trusting a huge corporation to protect me against hackers doing it for the lulz
But what's done is done, might as well lul at it.
It is just as difficult to protect data as it is to protect your life. While you may think it is easy and expected for a company to protect your stuff, it really isn't. You trust security, cops, and the people around you. When you walk into a mall, you are trusting that place and the people around you. While security is there doing what they can, they can't stop all potential threats. So when a lunatic walks up behind an innocent person and shoots them in the back, it is hilarious because not only did the person deserve it for trusting the mall security, but it will definitely show everyone that there is a security exploit.
That is essentially what you are saying. It is funny to watch everyone suffer because you, and a lot of people here, happen to have this hate against corporations. It isn't logical, it isn't right, and these guys deserve some extreme prison time. You could trust the companies holding your information, even if they have no security. You can trust them, if groups like lulzSecurity didn't exist. They are the reason you can't trust anyone.
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So when a lunatic walks up behind an innocent person and shoots them in the back, it is hilarious because not only did the person deserve it for trusting the mall security, but it will definitely show everyone that there is a security exploit.That is essentially what you are saying.


Ya, buddy... random murdering rules
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It is just as difficult to protect data as it is to protect your life. While you may think it is easy and expected for a company to protect your stuff, it really isn't. You trust security, cops, and the people around you. When you walk into a mall, you are trusting that place and the people around you. While security is there doing what they can, they can't stop all potential threats. So when a lunatic walks up behind an innocent person and shoots them in the back, it is hilarious because not only did the person deserve it for trusting the mall security, but it will definitely show everyone that there is a security exploit.
That is essentially what you are saying. It is funny to watch everyone suffer because you, and a lot of people here, happen to have this hate against corporations. It isn't logical, it isn't right, and these guys deserve some extreme prison time. You could trust the companies holding your information, even if they have no security. You can trust them, if groups like lulzSecurity didn't exist. They are the reason you can't trust anyone.
I agree. They will get caught sooner then later, especially if they try anything with big brother.
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It is just as difficult to protect data as it is to protect your life. While you may think it is easy and expected for a company to protect your stuff, it really isn't. You trust security, cops, and the people around you. When you walk into a mall, you are trusting that place and the people around you. While security is there doing what they can, they can't stop all potential threats. So when a lunatic walks up behind an innocent person and shoots them in the back, it is hilarious because not only did the person deserve it for trusting the mall security, but it will definitely show everyone that there is a security exploit.
That is essentially what you are saying. It is funny to watch everyone suffer because you, and a lot of people here, happen to have this hate against corporations. It isn't logical, it isn't right, and these guys deserve some extreme prison time.
Ah Zinxe, I should have known you would appear if brought Sony's name in vain.

What if a terrorist put a bomb and killed a dozen people in an airplane? Would airport security not be to blame?

And I do not know where you deduce that I have hate against this corporation. I am simply demanding my rights as a customer of theirs. And I would not be a customer in the first place if I hated this company.

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You could trust the companies holding your information, even if they have no security. You can trust them, if groups like lulzSecurity didn't exist. They are the reason you can't trust anyone.
But that's human nature. You might as well say we wouldn't need the police if there aren't criminals. That's just wishful thinking. The reality is, groups like that exist, and we must learn how to deal with it. We can start by holding the people in charge of protecting us up to their responsibility, instead of giving them excuses for their failures.
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post #505 of 708
Hackers steal info all the time. The fact that LulzSec has released it's findings to the public, will maybe make companies more aware of their security flaws. I'm not saying LulzSec is right, but they exist whether we like it or not as well as other hackers.
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Ah Zinxe, I should have known you would appear if brought Sony's name in vain.

What if a terrorist put a bomb and killed a dozen people in an airplane? Would airport security not be to blame?

And I do not know where you deduce that I have hate against this corporation. I am simply demanding my rights as a customer of theirs. And I would not be a customer in the first place if I hated this company.



But that's human nature. You might as well say we wouldn't need the police if there aren't criminals. That's just wishful thinking. The reality is, groups like that exist, and we must learn how to deal with it. We can start by holding the people in charge of protecting us up to their responsibility, instead of giving them excuses for their failures.
What? My comment has nothing to do with Sony.

The airport security would be responsible, but they are not to blame. The blame goes on the terrorist. The security would be responsible because their job is to prevent it. That wasn't what I was trying to express though. I came into this thread late, so I missed half of what was going on. Though, it appeared you were justifying hackers and their malicious attacks because apparently the corporation deserves the trouble because their security can be breached. You also appear to believe the end user deserves the collateral damage because they trusted the corporation with their data.
So, like my scenario, I will apply what your logic appears to be expressing. What you appear to be stating is that if a terrorist bombed a plane, then the airline deserves the damage and losses, and the passengers deserve to die because they trusted the airline.
The companies here are responsible for the losses, but the way people in this thread are trying to justify the attacks is just stupid.


Edit: Now that I went back to reading, I judged your post based on someone's reply to you, which was their interpretation. So I interpreted an interpretation.

I'm not going to bother removing my posts, because there are still people on this forum who think these corporations deserve the attacks because apparently they are professional security experts and know what they are talking about.

And you can trash Sony all you want. Their laptops are crap and over priced, their ericsons are mediocre at best, their flat panels are over priced. I'm not a Sony fanboy, despite what you people may think.
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Nobody deserves to be hacked, really. It's more of the fact that when it does happen and the company wasn't properly protected, then I really don't feel bad for them. It's the whole "it'll happen to everyone else, but not me" attitude. I'm not gonna say anyone deserved it, but tighten up the security if you're gonna be handling people's personal info.
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Minecraft crew seemed to take it well, they kinda shrugged it off tbh.


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Eve went nuts, are they still offline?
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Edit: Now that I went back to reading, I judged your post based on someone's reply to you, which was their interpretation. So I interpreted an interpretation.

I'm not going to bother removing my posts, because there are still people on this forum who think these corporations deserve the attacks because apparently they are professional security experts and know what they are talking about.
You judged my post based on someone's interpretation. Now that's not fair
People are interpreting my post the way they like and putting words in my mouth as you've seen.

I am not saying the passengers deserve to die, but they certainly can't complain if they chose that particular airline despite knowing it's lack of security, they cannot cry victim.
I am saying that the airline is to be held responsible towards it's lack of security. (or in this case the airport security) I am not saying they deserve the damages, but they certainly don't have the right to complain if it happens, and play victim.


Ok without the analogy, I am not targeting the companies here. I am targeting the experts they hired for their security.

And just as you find the people justifying the attacks irrational, I find the people here defending those security firms for not doing their job properly irrational.
"There's always someone better" (that someone probably being some teenager doing things for the lulz) is an excuse that professional security firms, who are charging other companies money for the single purpose of protecting them, should never be allowed to use.

And just as I said earlier, and as some people said here, better to have someone expose the flaws, then not expose them and secretly abuse them.
Imagine waking up one morning, discovering all your credit cards are maxed out, and not knowing it was because some black hat hacker hacked company X and stole all your information.
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