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Not sure if this is true but some info just went up about the main website owner to lulzsecurity.com. I will paste it here for you guys to see but with no link b/c it is on pastebin.
If this is real, then it might not be much longer until they are caught. Hopefully they will be 'renditioned' to some place in eastern europe or the middle east for 'enhanced interrogation techniques'
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All I've asserted is that it's impossible to completely secure a website. I never said they simply wait for hackers to patch, but the reality is many exploits/vulnerabilities are found this way. The fact that you don't know that tells me you know abosolutely nothing about this subject.

I never said security firms should be held to low standards. In fact, I never said anything about security firms in general in a single one of my posts. I simply said it is impossible to have an unhackable website. You're babbling on about something I never even addressed.
That is what I'm complaining about. Just because it's what everyone's doing doesn't make it right. You know who security firms are? White hat hackers. Their sole job is to sit all day and try to hack the website in order to find the vulnerabilities.

And your telling me it's ok for them not to be able to find some hidden vulnerabilities while some other hacker doing it for the lulz can? Because in my opinion people like that are in the wrong business and should retire immediately.

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So now you're saying there aren't harmless ways to expose a security flaw? Are you high?
There are. But they are rarely effective.
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Tell me it isn't so!!! They hit Neopets....this is the last straw.
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Who knows, American are so predictable. It is not surprised what is going to happen to them. xD
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I would enjoy seeing them try to take on World of Warcraft servers..those are pretty beefy compared to the kids stuff they are dealing with now
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That is what I'm complaining about. Just because it's what everyone's doing doesn't make it right. You know who security firms are? White hat hackers. Their sole job is to sit all day and try to hack the website in order to find the vulnerabilities.

And your telling me it's ok for them not to be able to find some hidden vulnerabilities while some other hacker doing it for the lulz can? Because in my opinion people like that are in the wrong business and should retire immediately.
Great, I'm well aware of what they do. But it's still impossible for them to find all vulnerabilities before someone else does. There's simply too many variables that would make it impossible for one firm or any number of people for that matter. Get that through your head. It is simple a numbers game. It's impossible for one hacker to look through every line of code of every piece of software on a machine to make sure it couldn't provide a vulnerability. Then you'll have to ensure that every machine that has access to that machine is 100% secure. Then you have to ensure that every person that has access to that machine doesn't someone open another vulnerability. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE.

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There are. But they are rarely effective.
Once again, you know little about what you speak of. How is a so called "white hat" hack less effective? The difference is intent. A white hat hacker knows the same exploit, can use it in the same way to gain access, but chooses to use that knowledge to notify the company without causing harm. The malicious guy knows the exploit, uses it to gain access in the exact same way but simply chooses to download the sensitive data he has gotten access to. Give up, please.
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Great, I'm well aware of what they do. But it's still impossible for them to find all vulnerabilities before someone else does. There's simply too many variables that would make it impossible for one firm or any number of people for that matter. Get that through your head. It is simple a numbers game. It's impossible for one hacker to look through every line of code of every piece of software on a machine to make sure it couldn't provide a vulnerability. Then you'll have to ensure that every machine that has access to that machine is 100% secure. Then you have to ensure that every person that has access to that machine doesn't someone open another vulnerability. It is simply IMPOSSIBLE.
One hacker?! ONE?! They are an entire company that are payed enormous amounts of money to provide protection for extremely sensitive data. Your post has shown that it's you who doesn't know what he's talking about. That is without taking into consideration the expensive equipment and software they can use that the standard hacker does not possess.

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Once again, you know little about what you speak of. How is a so called "white hat" hack less effective? The difference is intent. A white hat hacker knows the same exploit, can use it in the same way to gain access, but chooses to use that knowledge to notify the company without causing harm.
And the company would probably not care thinking that it would not be hacked. "It could never happen to me"

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The malicious guy knows the exploit, uses it to gain access in the exact same way but simply chooses to download the sensitive data he has gotten access to. Give up, please.
Yes. He does not go on declaring it to the world. He uses it in secret. If lulz are as malicious as you say, then they would not have declared what they have done.
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The hacker group Lulz Security has opened a telephone request line so its fans can suggest potential targets.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-13777129
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One hacker?! ONE?! They are an entire company that are payed enormous amounts of money to provide protection for extremely sensitive data. Your post has shown that it's you who doesn't know what he's talking about. That is without taking into consideration the expensive equipment and software they can use that the standard hacker does not possess.
It doesn't matter how many people they employ, their special tools, or how much money they have. It's not possible! Please, go ask one of these security companies you know so much about

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And the company would probably not care thinking that it would not be hacked. "It could never happen to me"
The company wouldn't care that you showed them a serious vulnerability? Of course they would. And if they didn't, your all powerful security companies would have no purpose.

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Yes. He does not go on declaring it to the world. He uses it in secret. If lulz are as malicious as you say, then they would not have declared what they have done.
So you're saying every white hat hacker is secretly keeping sensitive data and using it in secret? LOLOLOL. That would mean every security company is doing just that. If Lulz were not malicious, they would have never downloaded the data from the root directory in the first place. Seriously dude, you're digging yourself a bottomless pit of misunderstanding and ignorance at this point.
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Is this squad of pirate ninja's the impetus for the 17 windows updates, adobe, and HP security updates that I just installed?
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