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So I've wanted a sound card for ages.

Being broke I researched and asked around and was told the Xonar DG and JVC HA-RX700s would be a good choice.

I got the headphones yesterday but was somewhat underwhelmed. They deaden outside noise real well and I could tell some slight differences from my music but I figured it is because I am listening to 320k mp3s and using onboard.

So I go to microcenter and buy the Xonar DG, plug it in and listen to the same song and sure it sounds a bit better but not by much. It spuds punchy and clean, good bass. The other audio sounds nice and crisp though and really I can tell positioning and so on, but the actual song sounds pretty much the same. So I think it's the source file.

I rip a song from 192k mp3 to ALAC, and it sounds about the same? I've gotten more enjoyment out of adding 7.1 virtual surround, and putting treble (I never use equalizers.)

Sure I can tell the different instruments better but the music doesn't sound that much better. Are my ears broken???
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Your ears are in top shape.

You just don't buy into the same stupid hype as do those who think they have dog hearing and can hear ALL THEM FREQUENCIEZZZ! ZOMG! I can hear @ 4ghz!
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I rip a song from 192k mp3 to ALAC, and it sounds about the same? I've gotten more enjoyment out of adding 7.1 virtual surround, and putting treble (I never use equalizers.)
Ripping a low quality song to a high quality codec won't increase the quality of the song. You need to download some FLAC files.
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I had the exact experience coming from integrated. Its better but much like AA/AF is better.
    
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...I rip a song from 192k mp3 to ALAC, and it sounds about the same? ...
But if you convert from lossy to lossless, nothing is different aside from file size.

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Originally Posted by Adversity View Post
Ripping a low quality song to a high quality codec won't increase the quality of the song. You need to download some FLAC files.
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Ripping a low quality song to a high quality codec won't increase the quality of the song. You need to download some FLAC files.
This. You can't make a 192kbs song into FLAC.

Rip/Download a song in true FLAC and you'll see the difference, I see a lot of difference in depth and bass.

Audio equipment is only as good as the source!
    
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post #7 of 12
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Originally Posted by -iceblade^ View Post
So I've wanted a sound card for ages.

Being broke I researched and asked around and was told the Xonar DG and JVC HA-RX700s would be a good choice.

I got the headphones yesterday but was somewhat underwhelmed. They deaden outside noise real well and I could tell some slight differences from my music but I figured it is because I am listening to 320k mp3s and using onboard.

So I go to microcenter and buy the Xonar DG, plug it in and listen to the same song and sure it sounds a bit better but not by much. It spuds punchy and clean, good bass. The other audio sounds nice and crisp though and really I can tell positioning and so on, but the actual song sounds pretty much the same. So I think it's the source file.

I rip a song from 192k mp3 to ALAC, and it sounds about the same? I've gotten more enjoyment out of adding 7.1 virtual surround, and putting treble (I never use equalizers.)

Sure I can tell the different instruments better but the music doesn't sound that much better. Are my ears broken???
Audio is like wine or cigars, and the ears are like the palate. Some people will not notice a difference between really bad audio and super hi-fi audio. To some people, all wine tastes about the same, the same goes for cigars. For others, the seemingly subtle differences are like yawning chasms.

Also, things may start to sound different (hopefully better) after some more use.

When I bought my M-Audio AV 40s, they sounded pretty wack. After some "burn-in" the mids and lows really filled in.

Give your setup a few days of listening and report back.
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To clarify, I have the original CD and ripped from the CD into Apple Lossless. I didn't convert from 192k to lossless as that's pointless

Originally I ripped from CD to 192k.
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post #9 of 12
If you're legitimately worried that it might be your hearing, go see an audiologist and get a hearing test.

As far as your equipment goes, I mean, you're talking about a $30 pair of cans. You really can't expect miracles from them. Everything under about $100 sounds like pretty much the same crap IMO (some have more bass or more warmth or whatever, but there's never much of a difference in clarity as far as I've heard). If you're not happy with what you've got you should just return it until you have some extra money to try again with better equipment.

At least that's my opinon.
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post #10 of 12
It could be a poorly mastered track, or you could very well just not be as critical as you originally thought when it comes to what you think sounds good.

EDIT: Manyak brings up a good point too. Sound cards tend to make a much bigger difference when paired with higher end speakers/headphones.
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