Originally Posted by pLuhhmm
What part of "engineering sample", don't you people understand? Go on eBay and look at ES CPUs. They are terrible compared to the retail versions.
Not all ES chips are terrible by any stretch of the imagination. I have seen ES chips that come with retail clocks and unlocked multipliers (my brother had an ES C2D he bought off someone) and they perform exactly the same as retail equivalents.
So no, not all ES chips are terrible.
But back on topic, if this is indeed true, then this is really bad news. This late in the game and AMD are only chalking up those numbers. If anything it looks like Intel are further infront now than they have ever been (if this proves to be true).
I mean, Intel have had 32nm chips out for over 12 months, they have the new LGA2011 chipset on the way shortly, Ivy Bridge 22nm chips early-mid next year with the 3D transistor technology (whether you like it or not, this sounds really promising). With these numbers, even being an ES chip, it looks like AMD have slipped further behind.
Lets say that BD performs on par with the current SB lineup. SB was released in what? January? BD is releasing in August (I believe) so that would make AMD 7 months late to the party. Then only another 2-3 months after BD is released, Intel release their LGA2011 extreme hex-core processors and completely obliterate AMD once again. Sure, some will argue that the price of AMD will likely be cheaper. This is most likely true since thats usually been the case. But it still doesn't cover up the fact that ultimately, AMD is seriously behind the 8-ball. Which is a sad thing since I would love to see my original CPU manufacturer (original CPU was 3800+) get back to being competitive as its good for everyone