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Things were going quite well for Phenom II, for a while. The debacle of the original Phenom launch left a sour taste, but the general quality, speed, price, and efficiency of their replacements more than made up for it. Phenom II chips were priced to compete against the original Core i7 and i5, and they fared quite well. By late last year, they were generally recommended as solutions within their respective price ranges.
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I’m sorry to say that this last ditch effort to keep the Phenom II viable comes up short more often than not in our benchmarks. It just doesn’t make sense right now to use it over a Core i5, unless you simply have some reason not to buy Intel products. If those reasons (whatever they may be) are more important to you than 20% performance in most cases for the same price, then by all means the X4 980 and X6 1100T are top of the line Phenom II chips.
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I've noticed this recently too, but not really only because of the Core i5, but because of the Core i3 and even Pentium G6x0 and Pentium G8x0 series.

The thing is, it's not just that it performs better. It's old news that Intel usually performs better... for a higher price that is.

Now, Intel's also competing with AMD in the much lower price sectors where AMD traditionally was a better deal. It used to be you'd just go with AMD for lower cost builds, but now the Sandy Bridge Core i3 and Pentium G series is changing that up a bit.

It's no surprise. This (the Phenom II) was a CPU with slightly sub-Core 2 performance per clock most of the time, and it competed against the late Core 2, and later the first generation Core i5 and Core i7, with super low prices, but Sandy Bridge is just stretching it to expect it to realistically compete well with. It's too much performance for it, especially when Intel offers some at low prices where AMD has sort of went a bit unchallenged.

Intel's sort of pushing on all fronts/price levels. That's not good for AMD when it can't fight on performance, and it can't fight any further on price.

All eyes are on Bulldozer now.
Edited by Princess Garnet - 6/10/11 at 10:30am
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Pointless review is pointless.

Everyone and their mother should know this by now...

However, author mentioned that he's comparing two fully unlocked Black Editions with two limited-overclocking i5's, but then failed to compare the systems after overclocking. An 1100T @ 4GHz+ is a more worthy competitor to the similarly-priced i5-2500 that can only overclock by a few turbo-multis.

I don't know many people that would buy a Black Edition and NOT overclock, so that's a bit of an oversight in this review.
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Pointless review is pointless.

Everyone and their mother should know this by now...

However, author mentioned that he's comparing two fully unlocked Black Editions with two limited-overclocking i5's, but then failed to compare the systems after overclocking. An 1100T @ 4GHz+ is a more worthy competitor to the similarly-priced i5-2500 that can only overclock by a few turbo-multis.

I don't know many people that would buy a Black Edition and NOT overclock, so that's a bit of an oversight in this review.
this ^
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Pointless review is pointless.

Everyone and their mother should know this by now...

However, author mentioned that he's comparing two fully unlocked Black Editions with two limited-overclocking i5's, but then failed to compare the systems after overclocking. An 1100T @ 4GHz+ is a more worthy competitor to the similarly-priced i5-2500 that can only overclock by a few turbo-multis.

I don't know many people that would buy a Black Edition and NOT overclock, so that's a bit of an oversight in this review.
Yeah, I noticed that too.

I don't agree with the argument that "AMD can no longer compete as a lower-performance yet lower price option" because the X6 nearly matches the 2500 in most of the benchmarks. Couple that with the ability to overclock the X6 by nearly 25% in many cases (and a bit cheaper), it's clearly still a viable competitor, even at the higher performance market. It will not clean the floors with 2500k, that can OC quite a bit, but even so, the conclusions made don't quite follow the numbers shown.
    
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Why bother comparing a 45nm CPU to a 32nm CPU anyways? Wait for Bulldozer to compare to Sandy Bridge.
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Why bother comparing a 45nm CPU to a 32nm CPU anyways? Wait for Bulldozer to compare to Sandy Bridge.
^This.
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Why bother comparing a 45nm CPU to a 32nm CPU anyways? Wait for Bulldozer to compare to Sandy Bridge.
I think the more appropriate comparison in this case would be Llano vs. these low-end SB's.

And of course, since Llano is a 32nm reiteration of the stars architecture, even the i5-2400/2500 would beat an A8-3800 series in just about everything. However, AMD is pushing this initiative of so-so CPU's paired with higher power integrated GPU's as a more capable platform (and I agree with them).
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Pointless review is pointless.

Everyone and their mother should know this by now...

However, author mentioned that he's comparing two fully unlocked Black Editions with two limited-overclocking i5's, but then failed to compare the systems after overclocking. An 1100T @ 4GHz+ is a more worthy competitor to the similarly-priced i5-2500 that can only overclock by a few turbo-multis.

I don't know many people that would buy a Black Edition and NOT overclock, so that's a bit of an oversight in this review.
Ok so how about the 2500k that you can OC to 4.7 - 5ghz ?! For just an additional 20$..... Seriously who would buy an H67 Mobo with a Core i5 2500 .. HEH?! If u buy an H67 your are on budget so you will probably not buy a 200$ CPU , you would probably get core i3 2100 or core i5 2300.

Core i5 2500k for 220$ or 1100T for 200$ ?!
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They fail to take into account that AMD motherboards are far cheaper. That is where you will still save, making the price difference significant.
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