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They fail to take into account that AMD motherboards are far cheaper. That is where you will still save, making the price difference significant.
Not really, you can get a mobo for either socket in any price range you choose. Although, with the x6 you don't have that option unless you want to risk it with the cheapo mobos with few phases.
post #12 of 111
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They fail to take into account that AMD motherboards are far cheaper. That is where you will still save, making the price difference significant.
Maybe you should look at newegg, there is plenty of good boards that rival AMD prices.
 
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Pointless review is pointless.

Everyone and their mother should know this by now...

However, author mentioned that he's comparing two fully unlocked Black Editions with two limited-overclocking i5's, but then failed to compare the systems after overclocking. An 1100T @ 4GHz+ is a more worthy competitor to the similarly-priced i5-2500 that can only overclock by a few turbo-multis.

I don't know many people that would buy a Black Edition and NOT overclock, so that's a bit of an oversight in this review.
I just don't think the 1100T or the 980 have enough headroom over the 2500 to make it worth it... we've seen 2500's hitting 4GHz, with most of them closer to ~3.8GHz. I don't think Phenom II at anything less than ~4.3GHz would outperform it... and why waste all of that power draw? The second generation Core chips draw so little power comparatively (95W vs. 125W) for better performance.

Even with overclocking, if you want to go AMD, wait until BD drops and re-evaluate this choice.

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Originally Posted by Lord Venom View Post
Why bother comparing a 45nm CPU to a 32nm CPU anyways? Wait for Bulldozer to compare to Sandy Bridge.
Because AMD keeps releasing new chips to try to keep interest and compete. They don't have any 32nm enthusiast chips yet.
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This has been the case quite consistantly in the post p4 world,

Build a pc from scratch and intel will perform better at the same price point,

the difference is that when you want to upgrade w/ intel you have to buy a whole new computer,
even buldozer is suposted to still be am3 compatible...
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I really wish AMD would make the attempt to release their chips a couple months sooner. This goes for Bulldozer/Llano; and it needed to be done with Phenom II. If the original Phenom had Phenom II performance and overclockability AMD would have really gave Intel a run for their money.
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post #16 of 111
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This has been the case quite consistantly in the post p4 world,

Build a pc from scratch and intel will perform better at the same price point,

the difference is that when you want to upgrade w/ intel you have to buy a whole new computer,
even buldozer is suposted to still be am3 compatible...
This also seems to be changing at least a little bit since Intel is supposed to release IB on 1155. Who knows how long it will be a current socket, though.
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post #17 of 111
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This has been the case quite consistantly in the post p4 world,

Build a pc from scratch and intel will perform better at the same price point,

the difference is that when you want to upgrade w/ intel you have to buy a whole new computer,
even buldozer is suposted to still be am3 compatible...
Why upgrade just a CPU, unless you burned one of your components up, then your not upgrading, your simply replacing a part, nevertheless, you may or may not be allowed to reinstall your OS, which blows big time!

I'd rather upgrade to an entire new system, selling off my old, than just change out one part, that's kind of pointless to me...

Using a computer for 1-3 years and getting some of my investment back to move into a newer system though makes a lot of sense...

Right now Intel makes sense, AMD fans can rant and rave all they want, but Intel has AMD beat at most points!

Nevertheless I utterly HATE cheap stuff...
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What's the point of the article?

Of course Deneb/Thuban can't be compared to Sandy.


Was P4 Prescott comparable to A64? No! So?
   
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I’m sorry to say that this last ditch effort to keep the Phenom II viable comes up short more often than not in our benchmarks. It just doesn’t make sense right now to use it over a Core i5, unless you simply have some reason not to buy Intel products. If those reasons (whatever they may be) are more important to you than 20% performance in most cases for the same price, then by all means the X4 980 and X6 1100T are top of the line Phenom II chips.
Nobody will buy any Phenom II X4 CPU clocked higher than the 965 unless the price is almost the same as that of the 955 and the stocks of 955/965 run out, but the Phenom chips are still great value for money. Right now, the PhII X4 955 is the best mid range bang-for-buck CPU and the 2500K is the best bang-for-buck high end CPU (at least where I live, 955 costs half of what the 2500K does). Nobody cares about the higher stock clock of this failed chip (980) because any 955 can hit this frequency with a half-decent aftermarket cooler. Had I not been waiting for PCIE 3.0 and a CPU with a quad channel IMC, I would've re-bought a Phenom II X4 955 for sure, with a 990 motherboard for future proofing: if only we had some sort of indication as to how Bulldozer will perform.
    
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Nobody will buy any Phenom II X4 CPU clocked higher than the 965 unless the price is almost the same as that of the 955 and the stocks of 955/965 run out, but the Phenom chips are still great value for money. Right now, the PhII X4 955 is the best mid range bang-for-buck CPU and the 2500K is the best bang-for-buck high end CPU (at least where I live, 955 costs half of what the 2500K does). Nobody cares about the higher stock clock of this failed chip (980) because any 955 can hit this frequency with a half-decent aftermarket cooler. Had I not been waiting for PCIE 3.0 and a CPU with a quad channel IMC, I would've re-bought a Phenom II X4 955 for sure, with a 990 motherboard for future proofing: if only we had some sort of indication as to how Bulldozer will perform.
The 2500k isn't high end though. No way a $220 processor is high-end. It's in the same performance tier the upper AMD chips are in, though.
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