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Originally Posted by ChronoBodi View Post
Did they overclock the CPU-NB on the 1100t to 2800-3000 mhz?

per core performance in games is better when CPU-NB is OCed, and an extreme case of this is Hawx:


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3877/a...ance-scaling/7
A 3.0GHz NB with stock clocks is quicker than 4.0Ghz with a 2.0GHz stock NB.
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Originally Posted by PoopaScoopa View Post
What's with the over the top paranoia? DRM is there for you if you want it. You don't have to use DRM media and plenty of legal services offer DRM free media.

The "Killswitch" is actually built for your protection. If someone steals your computer you can remotely disable it. It has nothing to do with Intel killing off their CPUs after a certain amount of years to prevent resale... Who would be mental enough even think of something that ridiculous in the first place? It's just another feature like vPro which is extremely beneficial to businesses for remote administration.
That system's been shelved into nothing but an HTPC for awhile. They didn't always though. Back in the lolPentiumD days they wiped the floor with Intel. They've been MIA for 4+ years now.
The "killswitch" can be activated even when the PC is off,it's a hardware DRM that cannot be disabled. DRM is in alot of games and software,and is getiing harder to get around it. I don't want "protection" when my CPU can be rendered useless,or deny & limit my use of software. More here: http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...level-drm.html
If AMD has been "MIA" for 4 years then why are they still around?
Edited by Heavy MG - 6/12/11 at 4:45pm
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post #102 of 111
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Whatever. I don't even know what you're arguing about now.

I mentioned HyperThreading because you keep insisting it somehow makes it faster when it isn't for what I'd use it for (gaming). "will be outclassed by Ivy" -- will be, won't be, doesn't mean squat now. Right now, in terms of performance, 2500K it is both the extreme end/enthusiast and the high end for gaming, until AMD or Intel release a better CPU. HyperThreading only improves performance in a handful of Intel-backed games (the ones with the "Plays best on Intel" BS like RE5/UT3/Crysis) and I'm not taking a performance hit in 95% of games for a handful. What one person considers an "enthusiast's" GPU/CPU someone else can see as "high end" depending on use & what's out and when, I'm not gonna debate this "classification" further.
Yes. For GAMING SMT isn't going to make much of a difference on a 4 core CPU, when it's running 2-4 thread games. Move on up to 6+ threads used and you would likely see a difference.

For Gaming.. Do you think everyone uses their PC _for gaming_. That qualifier *for gaming* you conveniently ignored when bashing SMT earlier in the thread, saying it was "fake threads" and "made no difference" and was "marketing." And yet anyone can prove otherwise with simple 3d rendering or encoding.

For gaming my i5 is as fast as any i7 9xx quad core. For rendering or encoding.. not so much. I don't use my PC to render or for encoding - But I'm not sitting here wasting my time criticizing others who do, and have chosen to spend the extra money for a (quite superior, for their purposes) SMT-enabled CPU.

Statements like "HyperThreading only improves performance in a handful of Intel-backed games" shows that you don't really understand Hyper-threading or it's actual benefits.
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post #103 of 111
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Originally Posted by james8 View Post
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...echnology.html
people afraid of intel "disabling" your cpu in the future please read. that thread is stickied at the top of this forum.



oh please. we are consumers. we are not professionals who can use even dual xeons 16 threads. how many consumer program (exluding stuffs like video editing and photo editing becuase let's face it, those are partly made for professional; and special apps such as benchmarks, distributed computing, etc) can take advantage of 6 cores?
everybody knows that games are among, if not is, the most intensive programs that run on a personal computer. if it performs better in games, it will perform better for 90% of all consumer level apps released.
it is almost impossible to completely stress 6 cores with normal consumer applications. heck pushing 4 cores is hard enough as it is.

how is it "retarded" that normal real life applications are used to compare cpu?
itunes is single threaded. a bunch of people i know ONLY use it to convert audios so they can use their ipods. are they all "retarted" for using such a badly coded apps?
put more objectively, would the x6 perform faster than the i5 in that consumer apps?

in fact, such comparisons were made in the high GHz dual core vs low GHz quad core era.
the dual-core wins most of the time. and at that time, it makes sense to buy the dual core because most games are still single threaded and only a few are dual threaded.

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Originally Posted by GameBoy View Post
Obviously, if you're buying a CPU for gaming, then Sandybridge is a clear winner... however not everybody uses their PC primarily to play games. A 1055T (for example) is still a good cheap alternative to a i5 2500/K for somebody that can actually make use of six cores.
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Originally Posted by Am* View Post
No as in a core for core comparison. HyperThreading doesn't make it any more high end than its non-HyperThreaded version and is irrelevant. Cores are all that matter, 2500K IS high end, anything above that needs more cores and that would be the 6 core LGA 2011 Extreme chip Intel are going to release.
Hyperthreading increases performance when all eight threads are used, therefore it's superior/more high end than a 2500K.
Edited by GameBoy - 6/12/11 at 5:38pm
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post #104 of 111
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what's your point?
my point is that as normal consumers, we do not need more than 4 cores, 4 threads, 90% of the time.
those who needs more than that are probably running professional apps.
even if they need more than 4 cores, does the performance of the x6 1100T 6-core cpu surpasses the performance of the i7 2600K 4-core cpu?

to be honest, the six-core cpus from amd are gimmicks. it is a marketing thing > "ooo six core cpu!!!" when it can't even beat an intel quad core HT (the i7 2600K), get dominated by intel 6-core HT processors (such as the core i7 970) at highly threaded tasks and the quad core (i5 2500K) at gaming and other lightly threaded tasks.
heck the x4 980 even beats the x6 1100T in some applications, as shown in the first post link.
Wow, you are thick.
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Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Same can be said about Quad Core.

I fold 24/7, use my browser(It's open 24/7) and game.

Damn, I'm not getting enough bang for my buck, since I'm only using 3 cores.

Oh wait...




AV programs use that 4th core.

~Ceadder
But how are you going to run that AV program if one of the other three programs is multi-threaded?!
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Why are people arguing about this? 2500K is faster than X6 and X4. Fact.
 
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post #107 of 111
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Why are people arguing about this? 2500K is faster than X6 and X4. Fact.
Generally , but not in all cases. it depends on what you are using it for.

http://www.cpu-world.com/Compare/448..._i5-2500K.html
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The "killswitch" can be activated even when the PC is off,it's a hardware DRM that cannot be disabled. DRM is in alot of games and software,and is getiing harder to get around it. I don't want "protection" when my CPU can be rendered useless,or deny & limit my use of software. More here: http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...level-drm.html
If AMD has been "MIA" for 4 years then why are they still around?
Relax... Sending the remote command to disable the CPU when stolen only works on laptops with 3G built in. Your desktop obviously won't have this unless connected to the internet. This isn't any different than "Find my iPhone" as it helps prevent theft as eventually all laptops will have a similar feature there will be no point in stealing a dead computer. It doesn't limit your use of software or kill off EOL CPUs as some conspirators would have you to believe.

AMD is clearly still alive but has been producing consumer CPUs only for the E-Machine market. BD might actually bring some competition again.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 6/12/11 at 10:10pm
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Why wasn't this thread closed when it was posted?
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