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Originally Posted by kidwolf909 View Post
Pointless review is pointless.

Everyone and their mother should know this by now...

However, author mentioned that he's comparing two fully unlocked Black Editions with two limited-overclocking i5's, but then failed to compare the systems after overclocking. An 1100T @ 4GHz+ is a more worthy competitor to the similarly-priced i5-2500 that can only overclock by a few turbo-multis.

I don't know many people that would buy a Black Edition and NOT overclock, so that's a bit of an oversight in this review.
Agreed. I'd probably still choose the i5 but thats a good point you made.
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Originally Posted by kidwolf909 View Post
Pointless review is pointless.

Everyone and their mother should know this by now...

However, author mentioned that he's comparing two fully unlocked Black Editions with two limited-overclocking i5's, but then failed to compare the systems after overclocking. An 1100T @ 4GHz+ is a more worthy competitor to the similarly-priced i5-2500 that can only overclock by a few turbo-multis.

I don't know many people that would buy a Black Edition and NOT overclock, so that's a bit of an oversight in this review.
Agreed. Why don't they compare again when bulldozer is released. Not much point comparing this year's technology to last year's.
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Agreed. Why don't they compare again when bulldozer is released. Not much point comparing this year's technology to last year's.
well last years AMD tech is the best AMD has atm, so what else can they compare? they are comparing products within a price range. whats wrong with that? until we have BD thats all they can do.

also the non K 2500 has up to a 41x multiplier.
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The 2500k isn't high end though. No way a $220 processor is high-end. It's in the same performance tier the upper AMD chips are in, though.
No. Where architecture (i.e. clock for clock comparisons) and bandwidth matters, Phenom gets destroyed by well above that 20% figure. Just because games nowadays have barely started to use quads doesn't mean the figure of how much faster the 2500K is than the 955 will stay the same. When both chips will run games that use 90%+ of the whole CPU, then we'll see the real difference, and by then it'll be 50% or even more faster than the 980 or any other Phenom X4.

EDIT: Please explain how you don't think it's "high end", considering it matches or beats last year's $1000 top-end desktop CPU. The LGA2011 chips will not get any faster/more cores than the current i5s, they'll just get the "fake threads" attached to them, except the extreme end 6 core of course (Sandy Bridge 980X replacement).
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post #25 of 111
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No. Where architecture (i.e. clock for clock comparisons) and bandwidth matters, Phenom gets destroyed by well above that 20% figure. Just because games nowadays have barely started to use quads doesn't mean the figure of how much faster the 2500K is than the 955 will stay the same. When both chips will run games that use 90%+ of the whole CPU, then we'll see the real difference, and by then it'll be 50% or even more faster than the 980 or any other Phenom X4.
No what? I'm talking about Price and where it rests in performance tiers. You called the 2500k high-end, which it isn't. It may have high-end performance compared to what's out now, but it's just an upper mainstream chip.

That doesn't mean it's not one of the fastest chips you can buy right now though. There is no opinion on that, it's just a fact.

Maybe you meant to quote someone else, or just didn't understand what I said. The 2600k could be considered high-end with it's 300+ price tag, though.
     
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No what? I'm talking about Price and where it rests in performance tiers. You called the 2500k high-end, which it isn't. It may have high-end performance compared to what's out now, but it's just an upper mainstream chip.

That doesn't mean it's not one of the fastest chips you can buy right now though. There is no opinion on that, it's just a fact.

Maybe you meant to quote someone else, or just didn't understand what I said. The 2600k could be considered high-end with it's 300+ price tag, though.
No as in a core for core comparison. HyperThreading doesn't make it any more high end than its non-HyperThreaded version and is irrelevant. Cores are all that matter, 2500K IS high end, anything above that needs more cores and that would be the 6 core LGA 2011 Extreme chip Intel are going to release.
    
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so according to this for extra 5 bux over an amd x4 980BE i can have a faster computer?
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No as in a core for core comparison. HyperThreading doesn't make it any more high end than its non-HyperThreaded version and is irrelevant. Cores are all that matter, 2500K IS high end, anything above that needs more cores and that would be the 6 core LGA 2011 Extreme chip Intel are going to release.
I'm missing your point here... Hyperthreading improves performance in 4+ thread applications. The 2600K is definitely more "high end" than the 2500K.
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Why upgrade just a CPU, unless you burned one of your components up, then your not upgrading, your simply replacing a part, nevertheless, you may or may not be allowed to reinstall your OS, which blows big time!

I'd rather upgrade to an entire new system, selling off my old, than just change out one part, that's kind of pointless to me...

Using a computer for 1-3 years and getting some of my investment back to move into a newer system though makes a lot of sense...

Right now Intel makes sense, AMD fans can rant and rave all they want, but Intel has AMD beat at most points!

Nevertheless I utterly HATE cheap stuff...
Switching out a CPU does not constitute an OS install, only switching out a motherboard will do so. Furthermore, seeing as there is virtually no performance difference in newer motherboards than older ones, why bother buying a whole new system when the only thing that is really going to change--performance wise--is the CPU? Makes much more sense to keep your older, yet same performing, motherboard and just switch out a CPU. You also certainly don't need to switch out a motherboard when buying a new graphics card, or buying ram. These things will all perform the same whether using an X58 or a Z68 or whether using an 890FX or a 990FX. Heck, the nForce 980a still slightly beats out the 890FX in PCI-E performance and it is many years old.

I'm not disagreeing with you in that Intel makes more sense right now, because it does in most cases, I just thoroughly disagree with you defending having to buy an entirely new system every time you want to upgrade your CPU. That makes no sense to me. Newer =/= better.
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all i see is a 95 watt, 4 core intel CPU that runs faster than a 125 watt, 6 core amd cpu.
more core is not always better.
there is seriously 0 reason to buy amd unless u have a brand preference.
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