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^does that board support SLI?
there are no heatsink on the VRM, indication of cheap low-end products.
the heatsinks on the chipset looks low performing.
those upright sata connectors are going to hinder video card choices.
the places for both ATX connectors are very tacky. you're going to have a serious cable mess with this board.
audio output options are quite mediocre.

I hope this is not representative of the majority of amd boards.
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post #72 of 111
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Originally Posted by james8 View Post
^does that board support SLI?
there are no heatsink on the VRM, indication of cheap low-end products.
the heatsinks on the chipset looks low performing.
those upright sata connectors are going to hinder video card choices.
the places for both ATX connectors are very tacky. you're going to have a serious cable mess with this board.
audio output options are quite mediocre.

I hope this is not representative of the majority of amd boards.
No current 8 series AMD board supports SLI,unless you get one with with a Nvidia chipset. However Crossfire X lets you run more monitors.
Cheap looking heatsinks will perform as well as the "higher performing" looking ones.
Never heard of a L angled SATA cable?
I do admit the power connectors are in a odd spot in that particular Biostar board,hower most if not all other AMD motherboards have the power connectors in the standard areas.
Who cares? onboard audio sucks compared to any cheap sound card anyway.
Edited by Heavy MG - 6/11/11 at 11:09pm
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LOL, you obviously do not know what your talking about. No way the 2500k is matched by the x6.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post
Agreed.

X6 matching 2500k? What a joke. Overall it's 20%-25% slower.
A six core Thuban can easily match a 2500K in highly multi threaded scenarios.

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Originally Posted by dodger.blue View Post
Yes the 2500 is only a quad core, but again people--and you can mostly blame review sites for this I guess, since they are always pushing some kind of agenda--seem to not understand what the benefit of having extra cores is. Yes Sandy Bridge is flat out amazing architecture that would blow the X6 out of the water in most single applications. However, it is unlikely that someone buying a six-core would use it solely to run a single program at a time.
I agree. If you compare a i5 2500/2500K to a Phenom II X6, with both CPU's at 100% throughput, then the performance gap would significantly close between the two CPU's. Trying to compare the two CPU's full capabilities with a program that uses 4 cores or less would be retarded, because one CPU (the i5) would be at 100% load while the other (the X6) would be at ~65% load. Obviously, if you're buying a CPU for gaming, then Sandybridge is a clear winner... however not everybody uses their PC primarily to play games. A 1055T (for example) is still a good cheap alternative to a i5 2500/K for somebody that can actually make use of six cores.
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As for sandy bridge, i wont touch it with a 10foot pole. VERY FAST, but VERY insecure.

Especially when intel can disable your processor.

I will stick with my 1st gen i7 till bulldozer, if intel keeps this feature, iam forced to stick with amd for the rest of my life.

I can promise you , somewhere down the line, you will see an article 3 years or so from now. Intel disables 50,000 processors to prevent end of life resale.

They will also use this to prevent end of life hardware from being circulated.
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Haha, ~<70hp/L is hilarious. I would never drive an American car besides the Tesla even if I was given one for free.
Nice,bashing American cars when you don't even specify which car only has approx. 70HP/L.
Yeah I guess AMD really sucks,yet you're using an Operton.

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As for sandy bridge, i wont touch it with a 10foot pole. VERY FAST, but VERY insecure.

Especially when intel can disable your processor.

I will stick with my 1st gen i7 till bulldozer, if intel keeps this feature, iam forced to stick with amd for the rest of my life.

I can promise you , somewhere down the line, you will see an article 3 years or so from now. Intel disables 50,000 processors to prevent end of life resale.

They will also use this to prevent end of life hardware from being circulated.
I'll say it again,not everyone ha a Microcenter.
Wait what?!
Intel can disable your CPU?
I've heard things like that with their mobile CPU's but nothing about desktop CPU's. However this doesn't surprise me with all of the other underhanded and dirty things Intel is still doing. You know the lawsuit AMD placed on Intel a few yeard ago? One of the agreements was that Intel stop using the Intel complier code that puts AMD cpus into a disadvange in some software. Yet,Intel is still using the complier to give them a false boost in benchmarks to sway consumers.
Does anyone have proof or a link to anything about it? How does Intel disable a CPU in the first place?
Edited by Heavy MG - 6/11/11 at 11:34pm
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It might be worth throwing the 2500k into the mix and overclocking all chips. That would be an interesting result.
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I've heard things like that with their mobile CPU's but nothing about desktop CPU's. However this doesn't surprise me with all of the other underhanded and dirty things Intel is still doing. You know the lawsuit AMD placed on Intel a few yeard ago? One of the agreements was that Intel stop using the Intel complier code that puts AMD cpus into a disadvange in some software. Yet,Intel is still using the complier to give them a false boost in benchmarks to sway consumers.
They didn't just do it to AMD either, they are also currently doing it to Nvidia and they used to do it to ATI (before it merged with AMD, so in essence they are still doing it).

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Does anyone have proof or a link to anything about it? How does Intel disable a CPU in the first place?
The other nifty thing about Sandy Bridge is its built-in DRM. DRM tends to cause more headaches to legitimate users than it does to pirates as pirates always have a work-around. Heck, my Xbox stopped playing my DVD's video because the DRM in my DVI to HDMI cable failed randomly (yes it was HDCP compliant and it had worked in the past), I had to go out and purchase a new HDCP cable to get the video to display again. This wasn't even a blu-ray either, it was a DVD! When did DVD's suddenly become HDCP protected?

In any case, here's a link to post by an OCN member back in january with details about Sandy Bridge's kill switch and DRM:

http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...level-drm.html

And everyone thinks that Intel is their friend... (not that AMD is my friend, mind you, I just prefer their methods between the two) Actually, I'd imagine that most OCNers don't care since they are changing sockets every 12 months anyway.
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What's with the over the top paranoia? DRM is there for you if you want it. You don't have to use DRM media and plenty of legal services offer DRM free media.

The "Killswitch" is actually built for your protection. If someone steals your computer you can remotely disable it. It has nothing to do with Intel killing off their CPUs after a certain amount of years to prevent resale... Who would be mental enough even think of something that ridiculous in the first place? It's just another feature like vPro which is extremely beneficial to businesses for remote administration.



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Yeah I guess AMD really sucks,yet you're using an Operton.
That system's been shelved into nothing but an HTPC for awhile. They didn't always though. Back in the lolPentiumD days they wiped the floor with Intel. They've been MIA for 4+ years now.
Edited by PoopaScoopa - 6/12/11 at 4:10am
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http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...echnology.html
people afraid of intel "disabling" your cpu in the future please read. that thread is stickied at the top of this forum.

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A six core Thuban can easily match a 2500K in highly multi threaded scenarios.



I agree. If you compare a i5 2500/2500K to a Phenom II X6, with both CPU's at 100% throughput, then the performance gap would significantly close between the two CPU's. Trying to compare the two CPU's full capabilities with a program that uses 4 cores or less would be retarded, because one CPU (the i5) would be at 100% load while the other (the X6) would be at ~65% load. Obviously, if you're buying a CPU for gaming, then Sandybridge is a clear winner... however not everybody uses their PC primarily to play games. A 1055T (for example) is still a good cheap alternative to a i5 2500/K for somebody that can actually make use of six cores.
oh please. we are consumers. we are not professionals who can use even dual xeons 16 threads. how many consumer program (exluding stuffs like video editing and photo editing becuase let's face it, those are partly made for professional; and special apps such as benchmarks, distributed computing, etc) can take advantage of 6 cores?
everybody knows that games are among, if not is, the most intensive programs that run on a personal computer. if it performs better in games, it will perform better for 90% of all consumer level apps released.
it is almost impossible to completely stress 6 cores with normal consumer applications. heck pushing 4 cores is hard enough as it is.

how is it "retarded" that normal real life applications are used to compare cpu?
itunes is single threaded. a bunch of people i know ONLY use it to convert audios so they can use their ipods. are they all "retarted" for using such a badly coded apps?
put more objectively, would the x6 perform faster than the i5 in that consumer apps?

in fact, such comparisons were made in the high GHz dual core vs low GHz quad core era.
the dual-core wins most of the time. and at that time, it makes sense to buy the dual core because most games are still single threaded and only a few are dual threaded.
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I'm missing your point here... Hyperthreading improves performance in 4+ thread applications. The 2600K is definitely more "high end" than the 2500K.
For the 100th time, no it isn't any more high end and no, it doesn't improve performance.



The only thing it improves is performance in applications that can't even use one core fully (benchmarks, zip/unzip runs and other "benchmarks" in general) and that get "fooled" by the fake threads because they can't even use the cores on the chip to their full extent. Lots of older games won't even run with HyperThreading on, there is no point in using it for everyday applications and (more importantly) paying extra for it. Gaming-wise, 2500K IS high end, HT'd variants add nothing to performance, period.
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