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Originally Posted by Am* View Post
For the 100th time, no it isn't any more high end and no, it doesn't improve performance.



The only thing it improves is performance in applications that can't even use one core fully (benchmarks, zip/unzip runs and other "benchmarks" in general) and that get "fooled" by the fake threads because they can't even use the cores on the chip to their full extent. Lots of older games won't even run with HyperThreading on, there is no point in using it for everyday applications and (more importantly) paying extra for it. Gaming-wise, 2500K IS high end, HT'd variants add nothing to performance, period.
Read what you quoted... Note the "4+ thread" part? It is more high end because you have the option. Disable for gaming, enable for encoding. Options cost money.
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i remember when phenom ii couldn't match up to lynnfield
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post #93 of 111
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No as in a core for core comparison. HyperThreading doesn't make it any more high end than its non-HyperThreaded version and is irrelevant. Cores are all that matter, 2500K IS high end, anything above that needs more cores and that would be the 6 core LGA 2011 Extreme chip Intel are going to release.
1155 is a mainstream platform. Hyperthreading does matter, as the i5 does not have it and the i7 does because they are for different segments. It also has more cache. Right off the bat the i5 designation eliminates it from being high-end.

Even still I don't even recall mentioning HT, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing stuff up no one is mentioning..

The i5 2500k is not a high-end processor. That doesn't mean it doesn't perform as such, but it is outclassed by the 2600k, especially when you are rendering/encoding and anything coded for more then 4 threads, and will be outclassed by Ivy and more expensive 1155 chips when Intel releases them.

That's how it works. New mid-range is typically equal or slightly better then previous generation high-end.

Anything with the Extreme designation is Enthusiast. Limited quantities, and meant for those that have a ton of money and want the best performance available at the time, just like GPUs.

6970/580 = High-end
590/6990 = Enthusiast.

2011 is the High-end/Enthusiast platform, though that doesn't mean you won't see them on their mainstream platform.
     
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Did they overclock the CPU-NB on the 1100t to 2800-3000 mhz?

per core performance in games is better when CPU-NB is OCed, and an extreme case of this is Hawx:


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3877/a...ance-scaling/7
     
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Once again an AMD vs Intel thread goes down the tubes. Why are so many people obsessed with this rivalry? I mean, AMD has it's pros and cons, just like Intel does. They both do the same job at a level that 99% of the users will never see a difference between them. The 1% that would notice a difference just fling poo at each other all day saying which company is better, but in the end nothing gets solved. What a waste IMO.
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post #96 of 111
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What? There are lots of people on this forum who depend on powerful computing to excel in the professional space. That's just ignorant.
You should ask that question to architects, people who compile and build and generally anyone working with CAD/CAM or video processing.
Uh, no.
No.
Can you define "consumer applications", please?
It makes them ignorant. There are plenty of free-to-use (and paid!)applications for compressing audio.
Wins at what? Your ability to see computing needs outside of your own is astoundingly bad.
what's your point?
my point is that as normal consumers, we do not need more than 4 cores, 4 threads, 90% of the time.
those who needs more than that are probably running professional apps.
even if they need more than 4 cores, does the performance of the x6 1100T 6-core cpu surpasses the performance of the i7 2600K 4-core cpu?

to be honest, the six-core cpus from amd are gimmicks. it is a marketing thing > "ooo six core cpu!!!" when it can't even beat an intel quad core HT (the i7 2600K), get dominated by intel 6-core HT processors (such as the core i7 970) at highly threaded tasks and the quad core (i5 2500K) at gaming and other lightly threaded tasks.
heck the x4 980 even beats the x6 1100T in some applications, as shown in the first post link.
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I know none of you multi-task and thus shouldn't bother with a six-core.
Same can be said about Quad Core.

I fold 24/7, use my browser(It's open 24/7) and game.

Damn, I'm not getting enough bang for my buck, since I'm only using 3 cores.

Oh wait...




AV programs use that 4th core.

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1155 is a mainstream platform. Hyperthreading does matter, as the i5 does not have it and the i7 does because they are for different segments. It also has more cache. Right off the bat the i5 designation eliminates it from being high-end.

Even still I don't even recall mentioning HT, so I'm not sure why you keep bringing stuff up no one is mentioning..

The i5 2500k is not a high-end processor. That doesn't mean it doesn't perform as such, but it is outclassed by the 2600k, especially when you are rendering/encoding and anything coded for more then 4 threads, and will be outclassed by Ivy and more expensive 1155 chips when Intel releases them.

That's how it works. New mid-range is typically equal or slightly better then previous generation high-end.

Anything with the Extreme designation is Enthusiast. Limited quantities, and meant for those that have a ton of money and want the best performance available at the time, just like GPUs.

6970/580 = High-end
590/6990 = Enthusiast.

2011 is the High-end/Enthusiast platform, though that doesn't mean you won't see them on their mainstream platform.
Whatever. I don't even know what you're arguing about now.

I mentioned HyperThreading because you keep insisting it somehow makes it faster when it isn't for what I'd use it for (gaming). "will be outclassed by Ivy" -- will be, won't be, doesn't mean squat now. Right now, in terms of performance, 2500K it is both the extreme end/enthusiast and the high end for gaming, until AMD or Intel release a better CPU. HyperThreading only improves performance in a handful of Intel-backed games (the ones with the "Plays best on Intel" BS like RE5/UT3/Crysis) and I'm not taking a performance hit in 95% of games for a handful. What one person considers an "enthusiast's" GPU/CPU someone else can see as "high end" depending on use & what's out and when, I'm not gonna debate this "classification" further.
    
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The i5 2500k is not a high-end processor. That doesn't mean it doesn't perform as such, but it is outclassed by the 2600k, especially when you are rendering/encoding and anything coded for more then 4 threads, and will be outclassed by Ivy and more expensive 1155 chips when Intel releases them.


If you can see into the future could you tell us the clock speeds of BD please?
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Did they overclock the CPU-NB on the 1100t to 2800-3000 mhz?

per core performance in games is better when CPU-NB is OCed, and an extreme case of this is Hawx:


http://www.anandtech.com/show/3877/a...ance-scaling/7
I realize it does make a difference in gaming, but even in the most extreme case such as this game, it is only a 9% increase for a 1Ghz increase on the NB. Just looks like a huge gain, being 16 FPS, but at almost 200FPS, it isn't much % wise. Worth doing, most definitely, but not as much an increase as some make it out to be. I have mine at 2500 atm and can see a few fps gain in most games, but not enough that I could tell it without a meter showing me.
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