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It's not just about money, it's also a question about ideas and intellectual property. Let's say someone thinks up and develops an app that would obviously be a super-cool feature that apple could implement in their next OS release that would undboutedly draw more potential customers if it were an included feature to the phone/phone's software, without having to buy a "3rd party" app. I could easily see the apple app store as being a huge one-sided idea pool for apple. That seems to be the case for the wifi-sync situation. Not only did the person who tried to market the app on the app store lose out of potential revenue, they also seem to have been excluded on obvious intellectual property rights.

You don't get Intellectual property rights on iPhone applications. The only thing you can do is trademark the name. You can't patent another companies button usage. When you develop software for another companies platform you agree to the EULA of the SDK. In this case apple. Besides Camera taking with a volume button, and Wi-Fi sync aren't really trademarkable or patentable ideas.
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I agree with the article, but the people that developed that apps really don't deserve to complain if they managed to make a decent amount of money. The guy who developed Wi-fi sync and released it on Cydia marketplace, made $500,000, and the woman who developed the camera app made almost $3,000,000.
I can certainly say I'd be more than happy with that amount of cash, but that doesn't make it right for Apple to just say "k... bye bye now... your intellectual property is ours now." I'd definitely take this to court. These kinds of things are the reason I REALLY dislike Apple; they're a bunch of pricks and their practices are just completely unattractive.
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I can certainly say I'd be more than happy with that amount of cash, but that doesn't make it right for Apple to just say "k... bye bye now... your intellectual property is ours now." I'd definitely take this to court. These kinds of things are the reason I REALLY dislike Apple; they're a bunch of pricks and their practices are just completely unattractive.
You know that license agreement you scroll to the bottom of and say I Agree? Yea...
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You can't just make a blanket statement like that and not provide proof. So let's have a few examples of free Android apps that are essentially identical to their Apple counterparts and better. And because they're so much better, lets have some statistics as to how many times said apps have been downloaded.
I'mmmm pretty sure you misunderstood what he said. He wasn't saying Android's free apps are better than iOS's paid/free apps. He was pointing out that developers complain about their apps sucking and not making money, because other developers make the same app but better for free also on Android. They make something ridiculously simple like a flashlight and expect to sell it for $5 when other developers have already made flashlights with different colors and adjustable brightness and a flashing strobe for free. Shakelight (shake phone to turn on LED flashlight) for example is free, and there are a few standard plain flashlight apps that sell for $0.99 or more.
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You don't get Intellectual property rights on iPhone applications. The only thing you can do is trademark the name. You can't patent another companies button usage. When you develop software for another companies platform you agree to the EULA of the SDK. In this case apple. Besides Camera taking with a volume button, and Wi-Fi sync aren't really trademarkable or patentable ideas.
Intellectual property doesn't mean you have to have a patent on it (though it helps). An idea can be your intellectual property even if you haven't patented it. You post an app to the apple store for a "new" feature, apple rejects it, then takes your idea, writes their own code and integrates it into their own software still infringes on IP rights so long as the originator has documentation that they developed it first, and that the infringing entity had knowledge of it (which of course they did, since they rejected it previously). Doesn't require a patent though.

I didn't realize that the apple app store screws over developers THAT much. I know that they didn't pay a huge amount. But I at least thought that the developer retains rights to their idea and development work. The few people I know that have developed and posted apps to the apple store seem to think that their IP is protected.
    
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Intellectual property doesn't mean you have to have a patent on it (though it helps). An idea can be your intellectual property even if you haven't patented it. You post an app to the apple store for a "new" feature, apple rejects it, then takes your idea, writes their own code and integrates it into their own software still infringes on IP rights so long as the originator has documentation that they developed it first, and that the infringing entity had knowledge of it (which of course they did, since they rejected it previously). Doesn't require a patent though.

I didn't realize that the apple app store screws over developers THAT much. I know that they didn't pay a huge amount. But I at least thought that the developer retains rights to their idea and development work. The few people I know that have developed and posted apps to the apple store seem to think that their IP is protected.
If apple blatantly steals their Idea yes, but you obviously don't understand my point. The idea's in question. Wi-Fi syncing, and using dedicated hardware buttons for other purposes, are violations of the EULA that the developers signed when they agreed to use the App Store. Wi-Fi sync is not a patentable or intellectual property delegate when used in a broad sense. If it's used in a unique way, then yes intellectual property rights are accorded only if the idea is patented, trademarked or registered.
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I'mmmm pretty sure you misunderstood what he said. He wasn't saying Android's free apps are better than iOS's paid/free apps. He was pointing out that developers complain about their apps sucking and not making money, because other developers make the same app but better for free also on Android. They make something ridiculously simple like a flashlight and expect to sell it for $5 when other developers have already made flashlights with different colors and adjustable brightness and a flashing strobe for free. Shakelight (shake phone to turn on LED flashlight) for example is free, and there are a few standard plain flashlight apps that sell for $0.99 or more.
Well, pardon me if I misinterpreted his rant. If what you say is the case, that appears to be a major shortcoming of the Android Market then. The quality apps come from successful, talented developers with some money in their pockets, not "weekend hobbyists." That's not to say hobbyists can't make good apps, but come on, get real - for everyone one good app there's probably 1000 crappy ones floating around the market making a mess of things.

tl;dr Frankly, if what you say is accurate, it explains the shortcoming of quality apps in the Android Marketplace that I've read so much about from fellow users on OCN.
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The disturbing fact here is that Apple banned a wi-fi application from the apple app store. The man who created it could have made millions, but instead he was forced to take a job that probably pays 100k/year. He made 300k from an app store which is used by only a fraction of the iphone market. He could have made at least ten times that amount on the standard app store. it would take him 30 years at 100k/year slaving at apple to make the same amount (note that if he invested the money, the time at apple would be even more).

The decision to reject an application which takes a picture when the volume button is pressed because "it will confuse users" and then add that same "confusing" feature later is also disturbing. It shows that one of the major reasons for the apple app store is to crowd source ideas and then steal them from their rightful owners.
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The disturbing fact here is that Apple banned a wi-fi application from the apple app store. The man who created it could have made millions, but instead he was forced to take a job that probably pays 100k/year. He made 300k from an app store which is used by only a fraction of the iphone market. He could have made at least ten times that amount on the standard app store. it would take him 30 years at 100k/year slaving at apple to make the same amount (note that if he invested the money, the time at apple would be even more).

The decision to reject an application which takes a picture when the volume button is pressed because "it will confuse users" and then add that same "confusing" feature later is also disturbing. It shows that one of the major reasons for the apple app store is to crowd source ideas and then steal them from their rightful owners.
again wrong. The people who developed apps, are not allowed to change the hardware functions of the iDevices at all. They are simply not allowed. Wether it be Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Buttons. They are not allowed to modify or add features that don't already exist. Developers can use Bluetooth to connect to other iDevices or to computers, as apple intended, but you can't use Wi-Fi to do the same thing, because Apple doesn't have a feature for it. It's relatively straight forward, all it takes is about a day to read the EULA for the iPhone SDK, as well as the App store EULA.
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>_>


Why haven't I started developing apps yet?

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