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I kind of don't see the issue here. Wifi Sync isn't some new idea that this guy pioneered. Didn't Zune's have this functionality first? If Apple truely got the idea from this guy, they probably would have hired him just like the Peter Hajas guy behind the notification center (mobilenotifier).
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I kind of don't see the issue here. Wifi Sync isn't some new idea that this guy pioneered. Didn't Zune's have this functionality first? If Apple truely got the idea from this guy, they probably would have hired him just like the Peter Hajas guy behind the notification center (mobilenotifier).
Okay, so did Apple "pioneer" the look of cell phones? Apple is currently in a law suit with Samsung over the look and feel of the Galaxy S(2?). However, they're able to take apps that their own users have created, without notifying them, and then adding them into their own iOS?

That's a double standard if I've ever seen one.
 
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Okay, so did Apple "pioneer" the look of cell phones? Apple is currently in a law suit with Samsung over the look and feel of the Galaxy S(2?). However, they're able to take apps that their own users have created, without notifying them, and then adding them into their own iOS?

That's a double standard if I've ever seen one.
Well we're not talking about the apple lawsuit against Samsung are we? What does that have to do with this? I personally think the lawsuit vs Samsung was silly but that's got nothing to do with this to be honest.
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First app I'm downloading is the 'flashlight' app that enables tethering.
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I laugh at these Apple devs. They act like Android uses are cheap skates: no its just that some weekend hobbyist made the same app for free and better.
Exactly.

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You can't just make a blanket statement like that and not provide proof. So let's have a few examples of free Android apps that are essentially identical to their Apple counterparts and better. And because they're so much better, lets have some statistics as to how many times said apps have been downloaded.


You don't have to be a raging fanboy all the time. It's okay to admit the shortcomings of your favorite platform from time to time. It lends to your credibility. And while I'm sure you'll continue to belittle me with comments, at least I typically provide proof and some thought to my arguments.
Give me some examples of popular paid iOS apps and I'll find a free one on Android.

First example: WiFi Sync.

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Well, pardon me if I misinterpreted his rant. If what you say is the case, that appears to be a major shortcoming of the Android Market then. The quality apps come from successful, talented developers with some money in their pockets, not "weekend hobbyists." That's not to say hobbyists can't make good apps, but come on, get real - for everyone one good app there's probably 1000 crappy ones floating around the market making a mess of things.

tl;dr Frankly, if what you say is accurate, it explains the shortcoming of quality apps in the Android Marketplace that I've read so much about from fellow users on OCN.
You're obviously one who has never looked at the Android market, there's no "short coming of quality apps" that I could see at least.

And saying "Quality apps come from successful, talented developers with some money in their pockets, not 'weekend hobbyists'." is simply insulting, many great things have come out of those weekend hobbyists computers (Linux and Minecraft are two major ones straight off the top of my head), plus nearly every modification for a game comes from them too.

If anything, weekend hobbyists tend to make better products than "successful, talented developers" for one simple reason...When they make an app, they don't go "This will get me money", they're probably going "I need this feature, no-ones made something to do it yet, so I will." and will actually bother to make the application good for that reason.

And quite frankly, the only crap floating around on the Android market is all of the asian apps, I only say crap referring to those as they're not anything close to what I'm looking for.

And honestly, the app devs complaining chose money over a stable future, I think EULAs are a pile of turds that should be made illegal but if you agree to one saying Apple can use your idea anytime they want, don't come and complain when they do.
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*runs to store and buys books on iPhone app building*
If you need a book you are far too late mate....

If you have been programming for years, then you have a chance...

If you are new to the game just forget it, not worth the time...

Far too many coders in the matrix now...
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Exactly.



Give me some examples of popular paid iOS apps and I'll find a free one on Android.

First example: WiFi Sync.



You're obviously one who has never looked at the Android market, there's no "short coming of quality apps" that I could see at least.

And saying "Quality apps come from successful, talented developers with some money in their pockets, not 'weekend hobbyists'." is simply insulting, many great things have come out of those weekend hobbyists computers (Linux and Minecraft are two major ones straight off the top of my head), plus nearly every modification for a game comes from them too.

If anything, weekend hobbyists tend to make better products than "successful, talented developers" for one simple reason...When they make an app, they don't go "This will get me money", they're probably going "I need this feature, no-ones made something to do it yet, so I will." and will actually bother to make the application good for that reason.

And quite frankly, the only crap floating around on the Android market is all of the asian apps, I only say crap referring to those as they're not anything close to what I'm looking for.

And honestly, the app devs complaining chose money over a stable future, I think EULAs are a pile of turds that should be made illegal but if you agree to one saying Apple can use your idea anytime they want, don't come and complain when they do.
great point when you mention the weekend hobbyist. One of the best things to happen to android is all the custom roms that come from XDA all done by weekend hobbyist. These roms are often faster and better than what the OEM manufacturers are putting on phones now. this was a little off topic but Android is a lot better than what Forumfanboy thinks.
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great point when you mention the weekend hobbyist. One of the best things to happen to android is all the custom roms that come from XDA all done by weekend hobbyist. These roms are often faster and better than what the OEM manufacturers are putting on phones now. this was a little off topic but Android is a lot better than what Forumfanboy thinks.
I agree, and I didn't bother writing back to him as I knew what his response would be. "Awww paranoid and defending your platform?"

Developers that do work for free are ironically MORE motivated to make their apps better than developers that charge ~$1-$5. And yes, XDA/Cyanogen are the perfect example of this. You would think that huge corporations like HTC/Motorola/Samsung would make a pretty nice performing Android phone; but most Android phones in their stock form feel choppy and lacking some creativity. XDA's ROMs completely fix that and give Android the image it deserves. Google should have been much more strict about how HTC etc. package Android. A little quality testing would have gone a long way. "HTC, no, we don't like that screen freeze/random rebooting. Get that fixed up before you release the phone."

The way a free developer thinks: "Hmmmm what can I do to make my app better than theirs? I dislike having to pay for such feature, so I'm going to put it in my app for free and have a donate version on the market!" works much better than the way a sales developer thinks "Lol, I'm gonna release this little "Lite" version of my app for free with a few features cut out, then sell the "Full" version with all the features for $5 muahahaha!!!" which is why their app sales typically flop, bar a few paid apps that are actually worth it and are quite successful. I guess to sum up... Android is open source, and the whole purpose of open source is to have lots of software to choose from, some of it being totally free. Of course Android isn't the profitable platform to develop on; it's meant to be that way. You CAN profit well, but don't expect to sell a million copies.
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DANG! maybe I should make an I'M POOR app and have a picture of an empty wallet. Sell it for .01 cents. I wonder...
I did not know you could get .01 of a cent
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Okay, so did Apple "pioneer" the look of cell phones? Apple is currently in a law suit with Samsung over the look and feel of the Galaxy S(2?). However, they're able to take apps that their own users have created, without notifying them, and then adding them into their own iOS?

That's a double standard if I've ever seen one.
You're assuming that Apple, the creator of the iPhone, couldn't possibly of had the idea for Wifi Syncing or buttons to take snapshots? Just because one person puts out an app with features that thousands of people have thought of before doesn't mean that he is all of a sudden the inventor of that idea. Steve has talked about wireless syncing and backup since the 80s although obviously not mentioning the iPhone specifically as one of those devices utilizing it. Any computer geek has had similar ideas floating around their heads since the personal computer came about.



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I did not know you could get .01 of a cent

Edited by PoopaScoopa - 6/13/11 at 11:38am
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