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Unless you know exactly why it was performing like that or how the actual product will perform, that doesn't mean much.
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I don't understand what you mean by "The actual product"...
    
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Like you said, it is possible that certain things were capped / locked in the CPU. If that is possible, how can you know if the chip itself had major problems or that it was just under performing purposely? There are a number of unknown variables associated with that CPU and without actually knowing them, IMO there is no way to determine how the final retail product will perform in relation to that ES B0 stepping.
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Like you said, it is possible that certain things were capped / locked in the CPU. If that is possible, how can you know if the chip itself had major problems or that it was just under performing purposely? There are a number of unknown variables associated with that CPU and without actually knowing them, IMO there is no way to determine how the final retail product will perform in relation to that ES B0 stepping.
So your saying that the final retail products when they are released will be worse than the ES B0 Stepping's huh? This is incorrect if so.

The final Retail products are meants to run better than the ES B0 Stepping.

ES sample CPU's are clocked down to a much slower clock speed than the final product. So realistically, it will perform much better than what's shown on that video that Balla posted on Page 1.
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post #25 of 91
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Here is what we know about Bulldozer so far...
So far we know that Bulldozer will be pathetic

Like you said, if AMD wanted better performance, they would have delivered in their engineering samples, and B0,B1 steppings.

They've had years to do this and still are falling short.

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Get the i5 2500k and a good P67/Z68 motherboard. You can upgrade to Ivy Bridge in a year and will be fine.
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post #26 of 91
I think the performance is exactly where AMD needs to it to be.

The thing people need to remember is that Bulldozer will be clocked around 4GHz or higher. That is what they're doing with new stepping, attempting to get higher clocks.

I also believe people are forgetting that AMD is competing with these scores:




AMD doesn't care that SB can do this:




They aren't competing with overclocking, they're competing with stock. Stock is 1333MHz ram, and 3.4Ghz clock speeds.

They aren't fighting Intel at the top or overclocked, they're fighting them with Mhz, and stock clocks, with additional cores. Overclockers aren't a large market share, it's not something AMD cares about. All they're trying to do is give you a product that can compete with Intel at stock.
    
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post #27 of 91
No, I'm not saying that at all. If anything I'm saying that the final product would be performing better than the ES B0 stepping.

How can you say that AMD would have delivered in their engineering samples without actually knowing what they did to them, if anything? If they purposely made it under perform, than there is no way to tell how it actually performs. If that is how it actually was, how do you know how much improvement can be made to it before they release the final product?

All I'm really saying is, ES B0 stepping does not equal final product.
post #28 of 91
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I think the performance is exactly where AMD needs to it to be.

The thing people need to remember is that Bulldozer will be clocked around 4GHz or higher. That is what they're doing with new stepping, attempting to get higher clocks.

I also believe people are forgetting that AMD is competing with these scores:




AMD doesn't care that SB can do this:




They aren't competing with overclocking, they're competing with stock. Stock is 1333MHz ram, and 3.4Ghz clock speeds.

They aren't fighting Intel at the top or overclocked, they're fighting them with Mhz, and stock clocks, with additional cores. Overclockers aren't a large market share, it's not something AMD cares about. All they're trying to do is give you a product that can compete with Intel at stock.
True yeah, I guees your right there, but as I said, there concentrateing too much on clocks, and less on performance per clock cycle, just like the built in IMC as I said too, it's extremely poor and weak compared to intel's IMC.

There instructions they have are more advanced too which AMD should concentrate a bit more on aswell.
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post #29 of 91
I say wait . but i dont require higher end cpus , so dont count me in . AMD has decent performance for the price you pay . If price is not an issue go I7 .
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post #30 of 91
People need to stay on topic before a mod comes in and kills this thread.
As others have said if you need a system Now, then go intel.
other wise i would wait for bd to see what its real performance will be.
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