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People need to stay on topic before a mod comes in and kills this thread.
as others have said if you need a system Nowgo intel.
other wise i would wait for bd to see what its real performance will be.
In theory we are, we are compareing possible performance between Bulldozer and Intel.... in a way I guees.
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AMD doesn't care that SB can do this:

Because of this I would go with SB.

On a side note, I get 9.7 points with my 2600k at 5GHz, must try at 5.2GHz lol.
    
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Here is what we know about Bulldozer so far:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QRKdyBzKQ


Edit: There have been some claims by AMD people that the clock speed is capped, so this may or may not actually be performing at the 4GHz level. There is also a claim that it is TDP locked, and won't go over a certain power draw. I think these are all plausible, and this is just a first look type deal.


However since I'm not into blind bias thought processes, you'd have to explain to me why his PI time dropped 6 seconds with a 800 MHz overclock.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z12e7oKPJd8
I hope you guys dont think, retail cpus will have low performance like these ES
BTW look at L1write numbers - same as RAM... or L2,L3write

AMD is "hiding" real performance until launch. (strategy works well, because everybody thinks: "BD is weak")

http://crazyworldofchips.blogspot.co...weirdness.html


Early SB ES could run only <2,4GHz , performance was smaller than today
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I hope you guys dont think, retail cpus will have low performance like these ES
BTW look at L1write numbers - same as RAM... or L2,L3write

AMD is "hiding" real performance until launch. (strategy works well, because everybody thinks: "BD is weak")

http://crazyworldofchips.blogspot.co...weirdness.html
There are no true facts about BD's performance, they are all rumors. It could be twice as powerful as SB, or twice as weak. Saying AMD is hiding performance is just a rumor, and there is no true evidence to back that up.
    
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I hope you guys dont think, retail cpus will have low performance like these ES
BTW look at L1write numbers - same as RAM... or L2,L3write

AMD is "hiding" real performance until launch. (strategy works well, because everybody thinks: "BD is weak")

http://crazyworldofchips.blogspot.co...weirdness.html


Early SB ES could run only <2,4GHz , performance was smaller than today
Actually I do. I think that is bulldozer performance per MHz right there, all that AMD is doing now is trying to increase clock rates. But I think that is the actual performance clock for clock of the final bulldozer product.

"hiding" performance while making it look weak until release? Yeah that sounds like a great strategy, I can already tell you don't play chess.

Here are the facts:

1) Bulldozer has weak numbers before release.

2) Bulldozer release was delayed.


Do you have any factual supported documents on early SB? The only samples that went out to the public (D1) were doing 5Ghz or more on air.
    
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Actually I do. I think that is bulldozer performance per MHz right there, all that AMD is doing now is trying to increase clock rates. But I think that is the actual performance clock for clock of the final bulldozer product.

"hiding" performance while making it look weak until release? Yeah that sounds like a great strategy, I can already tell you don't play chess.

Here are the facts:

1) Bulldozer has weak numbers before release.

2) Bulldozer release was delayed.


Do you have any factual supported documents on early SB? The only samples that went out to the public (D1) were doing 5Ghz or more on air.
This ^^ I will have to agree with Balla on this one, it's a marketing strategy I would think.
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Thread cleaned, let's stay on topic guys.

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I'd say go for the i5 2500k or i7 2600k now if you are wanting an upgrade. I always find it silly to wait. If you've got the money to upgrade, then upgrade. There's ALWAYS something bigger and better coming in a few month's time. No reason to wait, or you'll always be waiting.
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Still on another note, I can't even hit 5.3GHz without 1.56VCore with HT enabled, and at 5GHz I only get 9.83 points (compared to 8.02 with HT off), why do the HTs do so terribly in Cine?

Sorry staying on topic.

EDIT: Pioneer is right, and if BD does beat SB, just sell your SB stuff and buy BD.
    
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Thread cleaned, let's stay on topic guys.

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I'd say go for the i5 2500k or i7 2600k now if you are wanting an upgrade. I always find it silly to wait. If you've got the money to upgrade, then upgrade. There's ALWAYS something bigger and better coming in a few month's time. No reason to wait, or you'll always be waiting.
Cheers Pioneer

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Still on another note, I can't even hit 5.3GHz without 1.56VCore with HT enabled, and at 5GHz I only get 9.83 points (compared to 8.02 with HT off), why do the HTs do so terribly in Cine?

Sorry staying on topic.
It could be other possible reasons? Not enough voltage going into the other components? It's only a guees though, Iv'e never touched an Intel system, neither overclocked one xD
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There's ALWAYS something bigger and better coming in a few month's time. No reason to wait, or you'll always be waiting.
Ditto.

1155 platform is the way to go. Unless you already have a 1356 1366 board lying around, I do not see the I7 960 as a good deal. You can always wait for something over the horizon, and what you have will always shortly made to look obsolete by something new.

To state the obvious, there are some drawbacks to the i7 960 deal:
  • 1356 boards tend to be more expensive than 1155;
  • i5 2500k is a more powerful (or even) chip for a similar price point;
  • i5 platform grants the opportunity to upgrade to i7 2600 in the future;
  • i7 960 uses more power;
  • i7 960 is clocked lower, despite having more cache;
  • i5 2500k is a more efficient revision of an existing architecture;
  • i7 960 has lower turbo frequency;
  • i7 960 has less resale value; and
  • If Bulldozer does come out (and beats i5-i7), you will have an easier time selling the i5 system than the 1366 and you will get more money.

Here are some advantages of the i7 960:
  • Hyper-threading (useful in some applications);
  • USB3 on some 1366 boards; and
  • Very slightly superior Xfire and SLI performance on 1366.

Here are some disadvantages of the Bulldozer platform:
  • it does not exist yet on the consumer market;
  • the release has been set back at least a dozen times and may be as late as august;
  • performance is unknown (overlooking alleged wonky B0 engineering sample);
  • the price is unknown;
  • the price of most motherboards for the Bulldozer are unknown;
  • whether or not the platform will have any bugs or errata is unknown;
  • it will be an untested architecture;
  • it will probably be extremely expensive;
  • the last two generations of AMD processors have not been competitive with Intel's high range consumer-chips which is not a good precedent.

Here are some known advantages of the Bulldozer platform:
  • may come in a metal tin; and
  • really cool package artwork.

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