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Originally Posted by Majestic_Lizard;13834146 
Unless you already have a 1356 board lying around
1356 boards tend to be more expensive than 1155
Selling the i5 system than the 1356 and you will get more money.
USB3 on some 1356 boards; and
Very slightly superior Xfire and SLI performance on 1356.

What is this 1356 board you speak of? lol
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post #52 of 91
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Originally Posted by PureOC Jim;13834829 
Nope Shirley. Read the thread. Age suggested Ivy was compatible with SB motherboards thus my reply, then your reply, thus back at you and here we stand. No confusion on my part. Are you confused cause Ivy is a new socket.

Ivy Bride will not be out this year, 2011 will be. I don't believe I'm confusing anything. Intel isn't skipping SBe for Ivy, which the 2011 socket is for (SBe).


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Ok I'm doing a redo on a few points I made earlier in this thread that I was wrong on and they need clarification.

1) The testing of bulldozer was done on 32 bit Cine, which is quite a bit slower than 64 bit cine.

2) The score for the bulldozer chip is actually slightly below what you'll see from a stock high end BD FX chip because it should be clocked higher than 4GHz.


However I still believe the results are correct for the bulldozer chip because of those things. I need to futher emphasize my point that AMD isn't competing with 5GHz SB on 64 bit software vs 32 bit.

I know we all overclock here so the results seem low, and that has to do with several of the factors I listed above. However the point remains that AMD isn't competing with SB OC'ed, they're competing with SB stock.

Here is a bone stock SB i5-2500k with 1600 ram cas 9 2t, I raised it slightly because the BD user was running over 1866 ram speed which is actually considered "OC'ed" for Bulldozer.

40548e6e.jpg

So what do we have here? A slightly below stock high end Bulldozer chip scores 5.66. I'll say Bulldozers flagship chip will hit 6 points in 32 bit cinebench at stock.

Compared to the i5-2500k which scores 4.79 in 32 bit cinebench at stock. This is what AMD is attempting to do, beat SB at stock and I believe they will. The problem imo still stands, its 4 cores vs 8, and its not twice as fast. Its slower per core, and we still don't have any idea what kind of OC potential it has. Will it do 5GHz on air? There are a lot of unanswered questions about BD at this point, and from the stand point that the i5-2500k will overclock past the AMD flagship chip at stock in multithreading adds to its weight when you consider most tasks aren't actually very multithreaded.
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post #53 of 91
Last try for you to understand. You have to read the thread and not selectively jump in. This what happens when you jump into a response or talk between 2 other people.
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post #54 of 91
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared;13834920 
Ivy Bride will not be out this year, 2011 will be. I don't believe I'm confusing anything. Intel isn't skipping SBe for Ivy, which the 2011 socket is for (SBe).


_________________________________________________________________


Ok I'm doing a redo on a few points I made earlier in this thread that I was wrong on and they need clarification.

1) The testing of bulldozer was done on 32 bit Cine, which is quite a bit slower than 64 bit cine.

2) The score for the bulldozer chip is actually slightly below what you'll see from a stock high end BD FX chip because it should be clocked higher than 4GHz.


However I still believe the results are correct for the bulldozer chip because of those things. I need to futher emphasize my point that AMD isn't competing with 5GHz SB on 64 bit software vs 32 bit.

I know we all overclock here so the results seem low, and that has to do with several of the factors I listed above. However the point remains that AMD isn't competing with SB OC'ed, they're competing with SB stock.

Here is a bone stock SB i5-2500k with 1600 ram cas 9 2t, I raised it slightly because the BD user was running over 1866 ram speed which is actually considered "OC'ed" for Bulldozer.

40548e6e.jpg

So what do we have here? A slightly below stock high end Bulldozer chip scores 5.66. I'll say Bulldozers flagship chip will hit 6 points in 32 bit cinebench at stock.

Compared to the i5-2500k which scores 4.79 in 32 bit cinebench at stock. This is what AMD is attempting to do, beat SB at stock and I believe they will. The problem imo still stands, its 4 cores vs 8, and its not twice as fast. Its slower per core, and we still don't have any idea what kind of OC potential it has. Will it do 5GHz on air? There are a lot of unanswered questions about BD at this point, and from the stand point that the i5-2500k will overclock past the AMD flagship chip at stock in multithreading adds to its weight when you consider most tasks aren't actually very multithreaded.

These are all speculative benchmarks as the processors have not hit the street and if you may or may not know, AMD said there is a performance issue and they are manufacturing a new revision that should arrive Aug 2011. If you put ANY credence in any benches you read until the reviewers st the various forums receive and test, I have some swamp land in Florida to sell you. In time the samples will arrive.
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post #55 of 91
Pure I've been here since the first few posts.

The point was 1155 current boards would work with IB.

You seem to think IB will be on 2011 later this year, its not. Simple as that 2011 later this year is SBe, which is not IB.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)

Intel-roadmap-Ivy-Bridge.png

The statement was IB mainstream will work on current 1155 boards, at this time that is not known for sure (afaik), however one thing is for sure and that is that it will be on socket 1155.

None of this is speculative. If there was something horribly wrong with the chips it wouldn't be as simple as a new stepping to fix. It would take time to locate the issue and several months before even a sample was created. The problem is they can't get the clocks where they want them while staying within TDP and conforming to OEM standards.


This IS Bulldozer, however it is slightly underclocked from the specs they're shooting for.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QRKdyBzKQ[/ame]

In its current state at 4GHz it is competitive with the i7-2600k @ stock in multithreading.
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@ Pure: Man, get your facts straight.

Ivy Bridge WILL BE compatible with 1155 Socket. (

And YES. It will be A WHOLE NEW architecture! Read some articles please. Then post smile.gif

Ivy Bridge will be using Tri-Gate transistor technology. It will be 22nm while Current SB is 32nm. And this are only the main changes. It will be compatible with 1155 Sockets.
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@ Pure: Man, get your facts straight.

Ivy Bridge WILL BE compatible with 1155 Socket. (

And YES. It will be A WHOLE NEW architecture! Read some articles please. Then post smile.gif

Ivy Bridge will be using Tri-Gate transistor technology. It will be 22nm while Current SB is 32nm. And this are only the main changes. It will be compatible with 1155 Sockets.

Ivy Bridge is a die shrink, not a "WHOLE NEW ARCHITECTURE!" as you so claim. The new architecture in development is Haswell.
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Ivy Bridge is a die shrink, not a "WHOLE NEW ARCHITECTURE!" as you so claim. The new architecture in development is Haswell.

So your saying that using 3D Transistors is not a new architecture? Yes it is indeed. Period
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So your saying that using 3D Transistors is not a new architecture? Yes it is indeed. Period

No, it's not a new architecture. Period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Ivy_Bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge#Successor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haswell_(microarchitecture)

Lynnfield wasn't a new architecture, it was just Nehalem on a new chip. That's essentially what Ivy Bridge is going to be... but on a better scale.

Period.
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Ivy Bridge, the codename for the 22 nm die shrink of Sandy Bridge, will be built using Intel's tri-gate transistor technology.

Period.

Putting a new engine in a Ford Escort still makes it a Ford Escort, not a Mustang. Essentially the same thing. Better, but not different.

Bulldozer is a new architecture as well... the release of the Deneb cores, or Thuban, was not.
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Man im getting crazy with the delay of bulldozer.Some times i think that the bulldozer chip doesnt even exist.
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