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You've got no idea about the differences in silicon production between AMD and Intel at both 45nm and 32nm, have you? PMSL!
What does 45nm and 32nm have to do with the diode being in a different place?

Intels 45nm chips had the same spec btw, just letting you know.
    
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It's a server chip most of all.
Heavy multi-threading is what it was designed to do.
I hate to speculate, but....

I think the only way that BD (high-end) will be competitive is if it has a tremendous amount of on die cache that is very efficiently designed and if the manufacturing process allows it to run so cool and stable, that it can be clocked above 4 or even 5 GHz on stock, perhaps with some kind of heavy duty cooler similar to the high-end gaming coolers Zalmen makes.

That might make it about equal to SB in most general applications and faster in applications that require many threads.

I'm not saying that is likely, but it is something to consider.
    
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Even if BD hits 5Ghz, if they're positioning the x8 to compete with the i7-2600k in both price and performance the single thread performance won't be there.

They're already pushing higher clocks to compete, and a new stepping is required to do that.
    
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Even if BD hits 5Ghz, if they're positioning the x8 to compete with the i7-2600k in both price and performance the single thread performance won't be there.

They're already pushing higher clocks to compete, and a new stepping is required to do that.
Why does single thread even matter anymore? Most modern applications can use multiple threads.
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Why does single thread even matter anymore? Most modern applications can use multiple threads.
Even though most modern applications do use multiple threads most only make use of 2 or 4 efficiently. Very few applications (Aside from preofessional ones) have been coded to use 6 or 8 or more cores.
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So your saying that using 3D Transistors is not a new architecture? Yes it is indeed. Period

nope ... a new architecture involves making major changes inside the inner working of the cpu ...


new transistors layout method only allows them to install more transistors easily ... nothing else ....





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Not trying to start an argument here.

However, the link posted above (and the quote) specifically state that tri-gate transistor technology will be a NEW adaption of the Ivy Bridge that is NOT found in the Sandy Bridge architecture. In all other respects it is simply a die-shrink, but the Tri-Gate transistor architecture will be unique to the Ivy Bridge upon release.

Also, Wikipedia is NOT a good source to use. FOR ANYTHING. EVER. Ask any university professor. I once edited an article on Wikipedia to state that the nuclear testing on the Bikini islands created Godzilla. The edit stayed on the site for almost an entire year.



I meant 1366. Catching that typo totally proved that everything I said was completely wrong.

3d transistors arent an architecture change ... just a method to install them ....




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Maybe mainstream, but eight cores vs 4 /w HT is bad form.

The only place its going to beat SB mainstream is in multithreading, I don't feel BD is a gaming chip.

you dont feel much positive things for BD


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You've got no idea about the differences in silicon production between AMD and Intel at both 45nm and 32nm, have you? PMSL!

let him dream thinking that everyone uses the same materials building their cpu's ....


LOL



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What does 45nm and 32nm have to do with the diode being in a different place?

Intels 45nm chips had the same spec btw, just letting you know.

so ???


do you really know what is needed to build a cpu ... the 300 steps or so to build a cpu ....


did you know that they do it in layers ... etch one layer at a time sending the cpu via rails inside those waffer box to the next lithography equipment for the next layer ....


and different materials are inserted for different part of the cpu building ... so if one company uses different product it will have different interaction ... thus different tolerable limit on the use .... so if intel has higher limit on their cpu's in term of heat its because of their production method ....


good descriptive video of general steps made in cpu production





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No matter what platform you are on, if Bulldozer is successful, it will help to keep CPU prices reasonable.

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nope ... a new architecture involves making major changes inside the inner working of the cpu ...

new transistors layout method only allows them to install more transistors easily ... nothing else ....

3d transistors arent an architecture change ... just a method to install them
Again, not trying to start an argument. What one person constitutes as "a major change" may be different than what another person thinks a "major change" is. The fact is that Ivy Bridge is planned to have an architectural change in the implementation of its transistors. This change is not in current Sandy Bridge CPU's.

Does that constitute a major change or a semi-major change, or a minor change? That depends on your opinion. The only fact here is that it is a change. Until someone can produce a statistical document from a peer reviewed scientific journal stating what criteria, standards, and metrics are used to determine whether a change in the architecture of a CPU is significant or insignificant, this argument should be put to rest. It has strayed off topic.
    
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You guys are so off topic right now. Original question: "bulldrozer or intel i7 960?"
 
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You guys are so off topic right now. Original question: "bulldrozer or intel i7 960?"
Unless he has a 1366 system already set up, he should consider the Sandy Bridge platform. If Bulldozer comes out he can always sell his rig immediately after he finds out what, if any, performance advantage there is.
    
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bulldrozer - this shoud be a poll.
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