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Originally Posted by Horsemama1956;13843933 
It's engine specific. Some will cut the fps in fractions if you can't maintain your refresh rate.

and yeah your 3dmark score is low. Run Furmark and IBT/Prime95 and see what happens. Start with Furmark and then add Prime and see if your fps in furmark plummet.

Sound like either the card is not getting the power it needs, or you have a massive driver problem.

The 11.2 drivers are the best for my card. I think that since I upgraded from a AMD 955 to the Intel Core i7 950, the Intel chip is pulling more power as is the system as a whole resulting in the card not getting enough power. Oh well PSUs are pretty cheap now for a good reliable one so best to try that first
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What was your Phenom II overclocked to? They are both pretty similar in power usage.
     
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The Phenom was never OC'ed. I did have this Intel one OC'ed for a short time, but I had to reset it for a new set of RAM and hadn't bothered resetting it back in. Problems started after I installed the i7.
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Originally Posted by TheReaperWaits;13843304 
Clearly you did not check the manual....

http://i732.photobucket.com/albums/ww321/Thereaperwaits_photos/Techimo%20images/ASUSmemoryconfig.png[/IMG]

I own an ASUS X58 board...

D'oh! I kinda had a feeling this was the case, but was giving the benefit of the doubt. rolleyessmileyanim.gif
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Originally Posted by Raji8;13842188 
So you're positive (or very sure) that this could fix things? Because I can't RMA the board and I don't have a load of money to start throwing out. Also I was told at one time (on these forums) that the PSU I have would be enough power to run the 560 TI which uses more power.

Also I might add that unless I lower the Graphics quality significantly it has little to no effect on the FPS, and still when it's on minimum graphics FPS only improve by say 5.
Okay, now that we're sure the motherboard isn't faulty, I would still definitely get rid of that piece of junk PSU. While it claims to have the wattage required (meets the power requirement), it really fails in the amperage requirement.
5850d.png
Directly from AMD's website. (Your current PSU provides 18A per rail.)

Will replacing your PSU magically provide you a higher framerate in your games? It is possible, but not likely. That really depends on what your current draw has been limited to by your current setup. Will it keep your graphics card/CPU from slowly destroying themselves from constant under-current usage? Definitely.

I would definitely start with what glaring problems you have first, then move on to fixing what is causing your chief complaint. With regards to what could be causing this software-wise, I want you to do this:

Press the Start key and type cmd. Then hit enter.
I then want you to type: set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
Hit enter.
Next, type: devmgmt.msc
Hit enter.
This will open your device manager in your control panel. I want you to next click on View>Show Hidden Devices. Take a screenshot of the expanded graphics cards/system devices and report back. smile.gif

ninja.gif Edit: I just realized that the AMD requirements don't show the Amperage per rail required. This kind of bothers me as it is pretty important to distinguish between cheap crap and quality designed components. The closest I could find to anything official would be from other enthusiast sites.

Based on your comment about comparing it to a 560ti, EVGA has this to say about requirements:
560.png
Without any official requirement regarding rails from AMD though, it is difficult to give 100% accurate advice in this area. frown.gif
Edited by HAF_wit - 6/12/11 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by Raji8;13842531 
Not according to the manual for the mobo. And since the order goes Black-White-Black-White-Black-White I doubt that's the case.

Also here's the 3d Mark Vantage Scores:
3DMark Score
P10200 3DMarks
Graphics Score
8836
CPU Score
18997
Jane Nash
26 FPS
New Calico
25 FPS
AI Test
2659 operations/s
Physics Test
24 operations/s

These were done on performance settings and at 1280x1024 (Or whatever the default settings are) due to me having only a basic edition of Vantage.

Something is wrong with your card. An overclocked GTX260 gets roughly 12000 pts for GPU in Vantage. You're nearly 3200 pts behind with a definitely more powerful card. I assume you should be somewhere in the range of 15000~18000 for GPU score.
    
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1. Change the PSU for a quality one, before it destroys anything

2. Watch your problems magically disappear.
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Hommie, imma keep it plain simple and real here. Your PSU, bro, the PSU is hurting your rig. I can't take this no more man, change that PSU and your life will be better. *Runs out of room*
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OP, you're running your system with a faulty motherboard and a cheap crap PSU. You go figure. Unless you want to blow up the whole thing replace those parts. Worth mentioning that your idle temps are actually higher than my load temps.

I'm with Stefy on this.

Someone reading this thread might be tempted to believe that the OP started the thread to have people tell him his computer would magically start running games at reasonable frame rates, despite having a junk power supply and an incorrectly configured motherboard.

I think we've done all we can do here.
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D'oh! I kinda had a feeling this was the case, but was giving the benefit of the doubt. rolleyessmileyanim.gif


Okay, now that we're sure the motherboard isn't faulty, I would still definitely get rid of that piece of junk PSU. While it claims to have the wattage required (meets the power requirement), it really fails in the amperage requirement.
5850d.png
Directly from AMD's website. (Your current PSU provides 18A per rail.)

Will replacing your PSU magically provide you a higher framerate in your games? It is possible, but not likely. That really depends on what your current draw has been limited to by your current setup. Will it keep your graphics card/CPU from slowly destroying themselves from constant under-current usage? Definitely.

I would definitely start with what glaring problems you have first, then move on to fixing what is causing your chief complaint. With regards to what could be causing this software-wise, I want you to do this:

Press the Start key and type cmd. Then hit enter.
I then want you to type: set devmgr_show_nonpresent_devices=1
Hit enter.
Next, type: devmgmt.msc
Hit enter.
This will open your device manager in your control panel. I want you to next click on View>Show Hidden Devices. Take a screenshot of the expanded graphics cards/system devices and report back. smile.gif

ninja.gif Edit: I just realized that the AMD requirements don't show the Amperage per rail required. This kind of bothers me as it is pretty important to distinguish between cheap crap and quality designed components. The closest I could find to anything official would be from other enthusiast sites.

Based on your comment about comparing it to a 560ti, EVGA has this to say about requirements:
560.png
Without any official requirement regarding rails from AMD though, it is difficult to give 100% accurate advice in this area. frown.gif

Yeah, Guru3D when they reviewed the card said a minimum of 40A on all the 12 Volt Rails (That's combined) would be required. My PSU, which has all of the protection that most of the Antec's and what have you have, has 72A combined on all 4 12 volt rails. Also I did not buy the PSU for the record. This was previously a Digital Storm computer that...ahem...required some fixing. Also Lizard upon further investigation those DIMMs aren't actually dead (d'oh) so the Mobo is perfectly fine, actually had some extra DDR3 laying around and I put in and it works fine.

Device Manager Screenshot.

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Edited by Raji8 - 6/12/11 at 5:14pm
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Looking good, but can you expand the system devices tab for me? (After those command prompt commands above.)
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