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Originally Posted by bojinglebells View Post
They're starting to hit the $1 per GB mark, who knows where we'll be by the time Windows 8 hits...at any rate my original point was more along the lines of why develop a new file system for disc drives when its seems pretty obvious that they're not the way of the future?
SSDs use the same file systems you know.

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Again, why would Microsoft optimize a new file system for disc drives when its completely obvious the technology is in its waning days?
What? The hell planet are you on? Platter drives aren't going anywhere. SSDs are still hovering around a buck a gigabyte, where they've been for the past year and a half, while platter drivers are only 5 to 7 cents per gigabyte. The only people buying SSDs are Apple fans with too much money and PC enthusiasts with too much money.


You can say platter drives are on their way out when low-end Dells, 'round 400 bucks or so, start coming with them as standard, when they're down to the same 5-7 cents per gig platter drives currently cost, and when they commonly have enough capacity to hold a decent amount of stuff(My Steam folder alone is too big for most SSDs).
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Originally Posted by newphase View Post
tbh, Win7 is pretty good at not fragmenting.
It has nothing to do with the OS, just the FS, I thought?

I really wish MS would just say "Screw it" and adopt Ext4.

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I call bs. You cannot use fat or fat32 on drives larger then 32 gigs. Cool story tho bro.
You can't in Win7 or Vista as MS want to limit Fat32 adoption, the highest size a fat32 volume can be is 16TB with 64kB clusters.

Good going.

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Originally Posted by BizzareRide View Post
I don't care about the file system changes but the registry is what REALLY needs changing.
It's the reason for all of Window's demerits such as having a large footprint and being piss poor on slow hardware(this is somewhat forgiven) as well as difficulty transferring your profile to a new partition/install.
It's both really, a lot of smaller issues can be fixed by having a decent file system but the registry is a massive one too.

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Originally Posted by TestECull View Post
You can say platter drives are on their way out when low-end Dells, 'round 400 bucks or so, start coming with them as standard, when they're down to the same 5-7 cents per gig platter drives currently cost, and when they commonly have enough capacity to hold a decent amount of stuff(My Steam folder alone is too big for most SSDs).
Except most users won't have steam...Once prices come down, they'll be mainstream due to the speed.

For size...Well, most people don't use that much space, on a friends computer with 5 regular users (And 5 profiles) they used 75GB, having 120GB would be no limitation to them in the slightest and other than price, what else do platter HDDs have other than size?
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Except most users won't have steam...Once prices come down, they'll be mainstream due to the speed.

For size...Well, most people don't use that much space, on a friends computer with 5 regular users (And 5 profiles) they used 75GB, having 120GB would be no limitation to them in the slightest and other than price, what else do platter HDDs have other than size?
Outside of price, size, and durability, nothing.
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Outside of price, size, and durability, nothing.
Durability is a myth, I think.

Any good SSD is rated to last a few years of constant writes and reads, in comparison, my Samsung Spinpoint F1 320GB is starting to put out errors (And sending my DPC latency sky high) according to SMART, it's around 3 years old or so.
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Durability is a myth, I think.

Any good SSD is rated to last a few years of constant writes and reads, in comparison, my Samsung Spinpoint F1 320GB is starting to put out errors (And sending my DPC latency sky high) according to SMART, it's around 3 years old or so.
It's known that flash memory cells will die after a certain number of writes, but if you can spread them out across all the cells, IIRC it would indeed take years to burn one out.
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It's known that flash memory cells will die after a certain number of writes, but if you can spread them out across all the cells, IIRC it would indeed take years to burn one out.
Which by the time it happens to a significant amount, chances are, a normal HDD would have died already.

Or the computer/drive would have been replaced.
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fragmentation is caused by writing 2+ things to the disk at the same time. it goes from having files A and B written as AAAAAAAABBBBBBBBBB(unfragmented) to AABBABABBABABBAAABB(fragmented), and by defragmenting, you are pulling all of the pieces of each file out to a new space on the disk, and writing them right next to each other.
While that is certainly one way that fragmentation might occur, it's not the only way. Fragmentation is typically going to occur when you delete files, creating an "empty space" between other occupied blocks. And then later, if the disk is getting full, there is no area of contiguous free blocks for a new file you want to write; thus the system must resort to using noncontiguous areas of disk, i.e. those empty spaces that you freed up.

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The only people buying SSDs are Apple fans with too much money and PC enthusiasts with too much money.
Well...money, yes..."too much" money, I don't know about. That's relative.

But there are cases where SSDs need to become the norm sooner rather than later. Specifically laptops. My work laptop is a Core i7 w/ 4GB RAM, but it's painfully slow compared to my sig rig because of the crap platter hard drive inside it. Laptops need to adopt SSDs as standard fare; it would make them perform as they should and increase battery life.
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post #48 of 59
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I can format and use 3TB drives with FAT32 or NTFS just fine.
Not as boot drives.
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post #49 of 59
I lol'd when it said "8GB FLASHDRIVE" is longer than 32 characters and please pick a new name. This is likely a sign of things to come
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All the new computers at my job all have SSD's in them. These are regular office computers for regular employees to work on.
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