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Hello fellow forum members,

I am a Cooler Master Storm Scout owner and I'm planning to add some extra punch (airflow) to my case.
I am thinking of a second 140mm fan in front, in my 5.25 drives bay. This will blow some extra air in my case and on my Megahalems.
I'm also considering to replace my stock front and top fan with someting more powerfull, inverting the top fan so it blows air in instead out and removing the back 120mm fan.

The result will be 3, high cfm 140mm, fans. 2 at the front and one at the top, together blowing a lot of air inside the case without another fan blowing the air out. This will result in a high positive air pressure, forcing the air out of the back and side panel without the use of an outtake fan. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLOg9yI3rjs"]Here is a video[/ame] showing my intention.

A picture to illustrate it:
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The ap-15 compared to the 140mm SlipStreams. It's in Dutch, but I think the units will make everything clear.

I am an inexperienced overclocker and was hoping you guys could give me some feedback and advice. Is it possible? will the changes help? What other recommendations do you have?

PS My apologies for my bad grammar smile.gif

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yes this willl work fine. ATM i have 5 intake fans, no fans at the back and only 1 fan at the top for exhaust. (Probably don't even need that)
    
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A number of us are doing just what you will be doing. A thread on fans in the 5.25 bay is here. And here is my current airflow:

Beta_Evo_Quiet_Rig_02.png

I got the idea from another Silverstone video, this one with a smoke generator.

One thing about removing your rear grill and the rear fan: you avoid any troubles with positive air pressure. Instead, you get great airflow. The pressure never gets higher than it needs to be to get out of the case, and that's not very high. There is an illustration of similar principals in item 2 of my sig.

Go for your airflow plan! And post pics.

BTW - thanks for that Silverstone link. +rep

That reminded me of [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe-2ZqmSGug"]this[/ame] the smoke test video.
Edited by ehume - 6/12/11 at 1:05pm
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Thank you ehume. For the rep, information and video. +rep.
I see you don't use high cfm fans at the front. Do you have a special reason for that or is it just because you want it to be silent?

What are your thoughts on the Scythe SS 140 @ 1200rpm (SM1425SL12M)
According to the Dutch test they are less noisier and create more cfm.
ap-15 at 12V 40,2 dB(A) 70,8 cfm
the scythe's at 12V 39,6 dB(A) 81,8 cfm

Also, starting tomorrow I'll be on a fieldtrip until Saturday. I'll try to buy the parts that I'll need on my way back home.
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Originally Posted by yur400;13847031 
Thank you ehume. For the rep, information and video. +rep.
I see you don't use high cfm fans at the front. Do you have a special reason for that or is it just because you want it to be silent?

What are your thoughts on the Scythe SS 140 @ 1200rpm (SM1425SL12M)
According to the Dutch test they are less noisier and create more cfm.
ap-15 at 12V 40,2 dB(A) 70,8 cfm
the scythe's at 12V 39,6 dB(A) 81,8 cfm

Also, starting tomorrow I'll be on a fieldtrip until Saturday. I'll try to buy the parts that I'll need on my way back home.

That case sits 18-20 inches (0.5m) from my ear. I like it quiet.

The SS 140 (Kaze Maru 2) is a wonderful fan. I previously had a 1200 rpm Kaze Maru as top intake. The KM2 is a better fan. See this review

I'm using a TY-140 as top intake because it is PWM. I have it and the heatsink PWM fans hooked together so that when the cpu is at idle they are all at idle.
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I am back from my field trip. It was great but it is good to be home again smile.gif

Using a TY-140 as top intake fan is a great idea. But would it be possible to hook 2 CM Blade Masters and a TY-140 on one pwm CPU fan header (max 1A)?

I forgot to tell that I do not want to use a fan controller. So I want my fans not to be too noisy.

I've been doing some extra research and it didn't help at all. It confuses me.
Different sites use different methods. This makes comparing the fans really hard.
Example: xbitlabs rates the max. noise level of the Kaze Maru at 36,4dbA (good enough for me to use it without a fancontroller) and hardware.info at 50dbA. Thats a HUGE difference!

Can I use the Scythes (1700rpm) without going crazy from the sound?
Or should I buy a couple of ap-15 / ap-14 / NB PK-3 ?
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Originally Posted by yur400;13919965 
I am back from my field trip. It was great but it is good to be home again smile.gif

Using a TY-140 as top intake fan is a great idea. But would it be possible to hook 2 CM Blade Masters and a TY-140 on one pwm CPU fan header (max 1A)?

I forgot to tell that I do not want to use a fan controller. So I want my fans not to be too noisy.

I've been doing some extra research and it didn't help at all. It confuses me.
Different sites use different methods. This makes comparing the fans really hard.
Example: xbitlabs rates the max. noise level of the Kaze Maru at 36,4dbA (good enough for me to use it without a fancontroller) and hardware.info at 50dbA. Thats a HUGE difference!

Can I use the Scythes (1700rpm) without going crazy from the sound?
Or should I buy a couple of ap-15 / ap-14 / NB PK-3 ?

I have three PWM fans hooked up to get control from my MB - 2 fans on a Mugen 2 and one top intake TY-140. They get their power from Molex. You can make your own PWM fan harness or get the PWM Splitter - Smart Fan Cable from Akasa here.

Various sites rate fans without converting their readings from their SPL meters, so to compare between sites you have to play with numbers.

Kaze Maru 2's tick when undervolted. KM's do not tick when undervolted, but they're vanishing from the shelves - no long produced.

See items 1 and 4 in my sig.
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Whoah. I didn't knew such a PWM splitter existed.
I have a Gigabyte motherboard with 2 4-pin fan headers. Does this mean that I can hookup up to 2×3 AP29/30/31's using 2 of those akasa splitters without frying my fan headers?
And would I be able to regulate the fanspeeds in EasyTune 6 thanks to the special bios feature (fanspeed control by voltage) used in Gigabyte mb's ?

If this is possible, than I could hook 2 ap-31's up at the front, 2 at my megahalems en 1 at the top. When idling I can make them spin slow and when gaming (with a headset) or overclocking I could go all the way to 5400rpm.

FYI:
AP-31 specs from the Scythe site:
Fan Speed:5,400 rpm
Noise Level:50.5dBA
Airflow:150.1 CFM = 255 m³/h
Rated Current:1.14 A
Starting Current:2.69 A
Power Consumption:13.68 W
Edited by yur400 - 6/18/11 at 3:07pm
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Originally Posted by yur400;13920876 
Whoah. I didn't knew such a PWM splitter existed.
I have a Gigabyte motherboard with 2 4-pin fan headers. Does this mean that I can hookup up to 2×3 AP29/30/31's using 2 of those akasa splitters without frying my fan headers?
And would I be able to regulate the fanspeeds in EasyTune 6 thanks to the special bios feature (fanspeed control by voltage) used in Gigabyte mb's ?

If this is possible, than I could hook 2 ap-31's up at the front, 2 at my megahalems en 1 at the top. When idling I can make them spin slow and when gaming (with a headset) or overclocking I could go all the way to 5400rpm.

FYI:
AP-31 specs from the Scythe site:
Fan Speed:5,400 rpm
Noise Level:50.5dBA
Airflow:150.1 CFM = 255 m³/h
Rated Current:1.14 A
Starting Current:2.69 A
Power Consumption:13.68 W

Even a single AP-31 exceeds the 1-Amp limit on Gigabyte fan headers. You can put lots of AP-15 on a single fan header with Y-cables, but to get your power directly from the psu while getting control from the mb requires pwm. In a sense, it's what pwm is for.
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I think I get it.
I just can't choose between the AP-15, PK-3, Slip Stream 140 @1200/@1700 rpm as the intake fans. All are great fans imo.

For my megahalems in push-pull I am considering the ty-140, ap-15 and blade masters.

So much choice frown.gif
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