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I just added a GTX560 Ti to my system as a dedicated folding card, but am getting some unexpected results.

The GTX470 is running at 770mhz core/1540mhz shader.
The GTX560 Ti is running at 900mhz core/1800mhz shader.

When both get 1280 point work units from project 6805, the GTX470 runs shorter estimated TPF, so gets about 1500 higher estimated PPD.

There is a similar spread on the hither point WUs.

From looking at the GPU PPD database, I was under the impression that I'd get higher PPD out of the 560 Ti than out of the 470 at these clock speeds.

It seem the old saying for internal combustion engines is somewhat true for GPUs.
"There is no replacement for cubic displacement(cores)"

Of course there is another consideration, the overclocked 560 Ti is using WAY less energy, and producing much less heat, than the 470 does, for very similar performance

My 470 is currently clocked at its absolute maximum stable folding OC, but I haven't really begun to explore the overclocking limits of my 560 Ti because I don't have it water cooled yet.
Edited by Caleal - 6/12/11 at 12:48pm
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Yeah there isnt a lot of data comparing 470 vs 560 with the newer WUs. It looks like clock for clock the 470 definitely outpaces the 560. The 560 would probably need a 400MHz core advantage to keep up on 1280,1298,1348 WUs. On the 912/925 WUs the 560s can actually outpace the 470.

I dont have any side by side power comparisons, but depending on the voltage and OC the 560 should pull 30-50W less.
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Now I wish I'd gotten a 570 instead.
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Now I wish I'd gotten a 570 instead.
Yeah it all depends on your situation. I decided to go with the 560 because I knew I would be running 3-4 of them. If I only had room to run 1-2 GPUs I would have gone with the 570s.

Also my original comment about needing 400Mhz higher core for the 560 to keep up was a misprint. I meant 400Mhz higher shader.
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I folded in my GTX470 at 825/1650 @ 1.087V for a few days, the last cold days of the year, and it would pump out about 16.5K. It was folding stable, but with room temps increasing to 25C it would hit 95C when folding, so lowered the clocks to 750/1500@1.037V and it gets about 14.5-15K. Right now is running at stock cuz room temps are in the 30C+, so it won't be hitting the 90C again. I don't know how does a GTX560 Ti performs in folding, but it should not be that far away PPD wise, and will run much cooler and with less power.
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Well, it looks like the 560 Ti is faster on the lower point value WU's.
The 560 is running lower TPF on a 925 point WU than the 470 is on a 912 point WU.

Once I get the 560 under water, I'll see how far it will overclock.
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The "lower"-end GPUs suffer a huge PPD boost with the smaller WUs, as the higher cards suffer a lot less, if any. With the 1280,1298 and 1348 pts WUs things may be different. Note that the smaller WUs aren't always around...
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