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post #81 of 165
Nice clean build.

Aint so easy for us pacific boys (oahu).

New egg ftw.
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Hello TC, I hope you don't mind me hijacking your thread instead of opening a new one, but I want to make sure that both you and ehume read it, as you two seem to be real experts now when it comes to air cooling.

I'm in the process of putting together a new system (which should be displayed in my signature/profile unless I screwed up somehow), but I won't build it myself. I will have my local computer store put it together as I'm a bit too clumsy to handle hardware.

I was basically all set and in fact expected to get my computer today, or at least during this week, but then I realized that I had completely forgotten to think about proper airflow. I did some late evening/night research, and eventually came across your thread here, which has really fascinated me. So basically, I now want to more or less copy your build, at least when it comes to (case) fan cooling.

As you see from my signature, I'll also have a HAF-X, and I want it to be a positive airflow setup, with front 230mm, 2x 200mm top, 200mm side and bottom (PSU) being intake fans (plus possible 120mm fan in the 5.25 bay), and with a 140mm rear exhaust fan. I'm not really a big fan of physical mods to the case, so cutting out the rear grill (something ehume suggests) is not really an option. To deal with the dust, I will order the custom-built DEMCiflex dust filters for the HAF-X.

Now I only have some specific questions which you (or anybody else) might be able to answer.

1) You're obviously a Noctua fan (no pun intended ), and it seems the NF-P14 FLX is the only 140mm fan they currently have. Would that be a good choice for the exhaust fan? However, I noticed that you no longer use a Noctua exhaust fan in your HAF-X, as you did with your Corsair case. Which fan do (or did?) you use as rear exhaust?

2) I've picked the Scythe Mugen 2 Rev. B PCGH-Edition as my CPU cooler, which seems to be a great choice in general, but will it have any influence on the current setup? Your NH-D14 has two fans after all, whereas mine will only have 1 (unless I get another one hooked up on the other side?).

3) As I will need another top fan anyway, I consider replacing all the 200mm fans with CM MegaFlow 200 ones (fancy LEDs or not remains to be seen), however I read in a couple of other forums that sleeve bearing fans like the MegaFlow don't like being mounted horizontally as they (supposedly) "become starved of oil that way and eventually end up being noisy after a few months." Is there any truth to that? My computer will be in my bedroom, and close to where I sit while using it, so the less noise there will be, the better.

A solution would be rifle bearing fans, but CM does no longer make those it seems, and NZXT 200mm ones apparently don't really fit in HAF cases (not really 200m, and thus too small according to some Amazon feedbacks). The ball bearing Antec Big Boy 200mm fans would require physical modifications (frame too big and thus cutting required, which is again not an option). Besides that, ball bearing fans are supposedly noisier. Any feedback on this, perhaps?

[EDIT]: I just found the BitFenix Spectre fans with "Fluid Dynamic Bearings (FDB)" (whatever that's supposed to mean...). Does anybody have any experience with those in a HAF-X case? Do they fit? [EDIT1.5]: I just read in a French section of Material.net that the Spectre can NOT be fixed in a HAF-X. ]
[EDIT1.9]: Alright, forget the Spectre. I mailed them and asked specifically if they can be installed in a HAF-X, and here's the reply I received:

"Their 200mm fan is very proprietary. I don't have a HAF-X on hand to test directly, but to be on the safe side, I'd say no."

Ah well...

[EDIT2]: The Xigmatek XLF-F2006 200mm definitely fit in a HAF-X, but they're sleeve bearing...

4) I will have 4 SATA2 HDDs and 1 SSD installed, which means that the front intake air will first go through all these before entering the "main area". Will this cause any issues with the airflow and temps?

5) If I go for an additional 120mm intake fan in the 5.25 bay, which one would you suggest? A NF-S12B FLX perhaps?

Again, sorry for the long post and the possible hijack. Also bear with me if some of these questions are rather n00bish, but I have never really given much thought about airflow (my current rig almost had a meltdown due to excessive dust build-up), and I haven't even had a whole day of seriously looking into all this stuff.
Edited by Drakhor - 7/14/11 at 6:53am
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post #83 of 165
Questions aren't n00bish, Drakhor.
In fact, you went in depth on all of the questions and that makes it...
*Sunglasses*
Cooler.... YYEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!!

I'd like to know the answers to all of this, too.

Bump for you and for others to see this awesome build.
 
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Very clean build! Congrats !
I'm definitly going to use this knowledge in my own build Good job!
(got all my upgrades in mind, did a LOT of homework. Though I might regret the size of my Antec 300..if everything fits, I'll mod it ;D would be so sweet... hehe)
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@Drakhor - Just use the fans that come with the case until you get dissatisfied with it. For 140mm fans, you can look at item 4 in my sig and this review.

With the HAF X you might as well use top exhaust unless you later decide to cut out your rear grill - in which case you wouldn't need that 140mm fan. The whole point of using two top intakes is to get a big rush of air flowing through your case. There's no way a puny little 140mm fan is going to handle the combined input of three 200mm and one 230mm fans. Without an open window you will build up pressure, which means stagnant air and hot spots. Just go with the flow - literally.
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@SB: Thanks.

@ehume: Hrmm, so basically I shouldn't have a 140mm rear exhaust at all? If I'm going to use the single stock top 200mm fan the HAF-X comes installed with as top exhaust, it'd be redundant to also have a rear exhaust in close proximity? According to point 6 of this page (which I think I got from one of your posts to begin with ), it would cause "air pressure imbalance and reduced flow". If on the other hand I will end up cutting the rear grill out, there's no need for a rear exhaust fan anyway.

How about this: What if I use the 200mm side fan as exhaust? The setup would then be:

230mm front intake
200mm back top intake
(bottom PSU intake)
200mm side exhaust
140mm rear exhaust

Is this feasible, or would this config completely destroy the intended air flow? The bottom cool air would take care of the hard drives and graphics cards before being sucked out on the side, while the top cool air would provide the CPU fan/area with fresh air before it's expelled again by the rear exhaust. Is this theory correct, or am I missing anything?

I'll have to ask my computer store if their tech guy thinks he's competent enough to cut out the rear grill immediately. I don't have the necessary equipment and experience for this (too clumsy, remember?), and if it could be done immediately, all the better I'd say...
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@Drakhor - Just use the fans that come with the case until you get dissatisfied with it. For 140mm fans, you can look at item 4 in my sig and this review.

With the HAF X you might as well use top exhaust unless you later decide to cut out your rear grill - in which case you wouldn't need that 140mm fan. The whole point of using two top intakes is to get a big rush of air flowing through your case. There's no way a puny little 140mm fan is going to handle the combined input of three 200mm and one 230mm fans. Without an open window you will build up pressure, which means stagnant air and hot spots. Just go with the flow - literally.
Doesn't this build prove this wrong? All his components are staying cool while he has 3 200mm intakes and 1 230mm intake with only the 140mm exhaust. His rear grill was also present but he did say that he was planning on cutting it out anyway to increase the exhaust.
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Doesn't this build prove this wrong? All his components are staying cool while he has 3 200mm intakes and 1 230mm intake with only the 140mm exhaust. His rear grill was also present but he did say that he was planning on cutting it out anyway to increase the exhaust.
Look again. He's got stock now. He's proposing the mega intake. I like mega intakes too, but I like to have adequate exit paths for that intake.

In any case, one should test all the possibilities, then post the temps. We all learn from that. Fact beats theory every time.
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Look again. He's got stock now. He's proposing the mega intake. I like mega intakes too, but I like to have adequate exit paths for that intake.

In any case, one should test all the possibilities, then post the temps. We all learn from that. Fact beats theory every time.
I couldnt find where he stated that he went back to stock after his experiments.. Even went through all of his posts.

Is there anyway to explain where hot spots can occur in his set up? I'm just wondering because his results are great and I'm thinking of setting up my next build in a similar fashion. The only areas then i can see it occurring, bare in mind that I don't know a single thing about airflow, is near the PSU and the optical drive bays. Wouldn't it also improve airflow if you had reference GTX 580s that pull in air and exhaust it out of the case and not back into the case like MSI GTX 580s?
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Wow, hehe, a lot happened since I last checked my thread here

@ Samurai Batgirl and Ollii : thank you for the comments, it really pleases me to see such interest in my build

@ lockin808 : Islanders power !! We should create a club

@ Dgio21 : I'm not stock concerning the airflow, let's recap :
_Front 230mm : intake
_Side panel 200mm : intake
_Top twin 200mm: intake ( as opposed to exhaust in stock configuration )
_Rear back 140mm : exhaust

As you can see, I still have the top intake configuration, and that's what works the best for me so far. One thing to know is that the computer is under my desk and there's a small plank of wood at the rear going downward ( about 3" ), and this plank stops the hot air from recirculating to the top. I always have fresh ambiant air coming inside the case. Another thing I did is removing the hotswap SATA circuit board just above the graphics card duct.

Now from my observations :
_The air exhausted at the back is more powerfull and cold through the grill next to the expansion slots that it is through the 140mm fan grill ( with the fan working of course ) and the only hot spot is just behind the PSU at the bottom.
_There's also a lot of air coming through the 5.25" bays all the way down to just above the 230mm front fan ( exhausting also ) and it's cold air, so no hot spot here
_I can feel cold air on my legs and feet coming from underneath the case

So you see that there's plenty of exhaust all around the case balancing the massive intake ( well massive relatively to standard build, I won't go in the Deltas territory ) and reaching every nook and cranny inside

I hope this answer some of your questions

@ Ehume : I can't find a nibbler in here, haha, that's a con of living in a small island lost in the middle of nowhere. I'll find a way, soon I'll have to remove my motherboard anyway to replace it And as you said, a build is never finished, that's just some nonsense to say it is

Update on my build : I just received yesterday all my sleevings, crimps, SATA connectors, and I still need the molex tool to remove the connectors from the PSU, plus the sexy MDPC-X screws and washers Soon I'll post some more pictures.

Stay tuned
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i7-2600k @ 4.4 Ghz Asus Sabertooth P67 MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozr II OC SLI Corsair Dominator 4x2Gb 1600 C8 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 3 128 + 240 Gb + 2 Seagate 1Tb 6Gb/s Pioneer BDR-205 Win7 x64 Samsung SyncMaster 245BW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 Seasonic X-760W Cooler Master HAF-X Logitech G9 
Mouse Pad
Steelseries Steelpad S&S 
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CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-2600k @ 4.4 Ghz Asus Sabertooth P67 MSI GTX 580 Twin Frozr II OC SLI Corsair Dominator 4x2Gb 1600 C8 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex 3 128 + 240 Gb + 2 Seagate 1Tb 6Gb/s Pioneer BDR-205 Win7 x64 Samsung SyncMaster 245BW 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G510 Seasonic X-760W Cooler Master HAF-X Logitech G9 
Mouse Pad
Steelseries Steelpad S&S 
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