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This is a follow up thread to this thread: http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/1020482-fried-card.html

The reason I am making a new thread is because I think I have finally figured out why my card had reduced FPS in games. F@H seems to be the culprit. As this will disable my abilities to participate, I am making this thread in order to possibly fix it. How I figured this out:

Problem: (From main thread):
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So I just got a F@H core11 has stopped working error in Windows 7 while folding on my GPU. The GPU is OCed.

After the error I restarted and F@H says 17 mins TPF instead of the usual 4 mins. To double check this problem I opened up JC2 to find me getting 15 FPS instead of the usual 50.

Does this mean the GPU is fried? I mean I can still boot windows, my display drivers are fine, movies play back great, but F@H and gaming has been reduced to a rubble on the GPU side.

I've removed the OC and checked F@H and gaming, still the same TPF and FPS. The OC is still currently running as well.

I'm bumping this thread because the problem has resurfaced. Here's a long description of the issue:

I have not PC gamed in a very long time, in fact a week ago when I said it was fixed with the new drivers it was, but I did not actually play the game. Since then, I have purchased Dirt 3 and am fully enjoying it with my card OCed. However, there seems to be an issue with the OC or the game or something to reproduce the problem.

I played Dirt 3 for the first time for a hour or so and exited the game to desktop to get some work done. I re-launch the game and my frames have dropped from 35-40 to 15-20. I was thinking, "oh great, again..." So I first restart my computer - doesn't work. Then I shut down my computer and leave it off for about an hour and a half - this works; the frames are restored to 35-40. I then exit the game to desktop again and re-launch it after a break. The relaunch reproduces the the problem: the frames are back to 15-20. So I decide to reinstall the card's drivers and restart after installation is complete - problem fixed again. I then quit to desktop again, and the next day I come to play and the problem is reproduced again... which brings me to this post.

This is very frustrating, not only because it affects Dirt 3, but all my games. A ubiquitous effect leads me to believe that it is a GPU issue that I have no idea about or where to begin to diagnose the problem. I was hoping OCN could help me with this
How I thought I solved it:
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So I've managed to solve it with the help of EVGA customer support:

The CSR had me change power settings to "Prefer Maximum Performance" in the NVIDIA Control panel, and I also reduced the OC by 3 Mhz for all values (Shade, Core, and Memory) and my FPS is back to normal and I can finally game to the fullest potential.

Now I don't have to RMA !! YAYA!!!!

That was in case someone stumbles upon this in a Google search, I wanted a solution to be available.
As you can see, I've done quite a number of things to possibly fix this, and some of them worked temporarily. However, nothing has been a permanent solution until I decided to disable F@H client on start up and as a result, forever. [EDIT] Recently I discovered that it was not F@H Causing the problem, it was, in fact a coincedence because I've been following all that but woke up this morning to see my card in low performance mode even though I never had F@H running lol.

To get to the point, this thread was created to ask for assistance from the OCN community in order to get my F@H participation back to where it has been (24 hr CPU and nightly GPU folding) because currently, none of the F@H cores are active due to the adverse effects they have on my games.

So, I ask the ultimate question, any ideas?

[EDIT] PROBLEM HAS BEEN SOLVED, THE ISSUE WAS AN UPDATED DRIVER, SPECIFICALLY 275.33, I DOWNGRADED TO 266.## AND ALL IS FIXED AND WELL[\\EDIT]

Thanks for your time and I apologize for the wall of text, but I feel it is necessary to fully understand the issue.

Sincerely,
Mike
Edited by SI51 - 6/13/11 at 2:03pm
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F@H uses 100% of your gpu... games use your gpu. if your folding you can not game. there is not enough gpu for the game to use. you have to disable folding on the gpu when you are going to game.
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F@H uses 100% of your gpu... games use your gpu. if your folding you can not game. there is not enough gpu for the game to use. you have to disable folding on the gpu when you are going to game.
lol yes, I know that, I have always disabled all cores in F@H when gaming. Yet, the aforementioned problems occur.

I should have explained it more clearly. I fixed this and added an EDIT tag to the OP.
Edited by SI51 - 6/12/11 at 10:35pm
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It sounds like you were dropping into low performance 3D mode (405Mhz) likely due to either using the 270/275 drivers which have known problems with folding or due to an unstable OC. Regardless it seems like this is a pretty useless thread that will only accomplish slandering F@H. You don't identify the problem, you just say F@H messed up your computer and you had to get rid of it, pretty foolish if you ask me seeing as had you searched you would have found an answer to your problem other than stopping folding, and then bashing folding.

Use 266.58 if you'd like to do something other than blame folding. Other than that you won't get any more help from me. Next time try asking for help in the folding section rather than bad mouthing folding to people that don't have the experience to help you, and now won't try it because they will be afraid of it messing up for them too due to your mistake.
Edited by juano - 6/12/11 at 11:00pm
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It sounds like you were dropping into low performance 3D mode (405Mhz) likely due to either using the 270/275 drivers which have known problems with folding or due to an unstable OC. Regardless it seems like this is a pretty useless thread that will only accomplish slandering F@H. You don't identify the problem, you just say F@H messed up your computer and you had to get rid of it, pretty foolish if you ask me seeing as had you searched you would have found an answer to your problem other than stopping folding, and then bashing folding.

Use 266.58 if you'd like to do something other than blame folding. Other than that you won't get any more help from me. Next time try asking for help in the folding section rather than bad mouthing folding to people that don't have the experience to help you, and now won't try it because they will be afraid of it messing up for them too due to your mistake.
I did google search, my skills must not be very toned. I came to the conclusion because getting rid of F@H fixed the problem. I appreciate your informative reply, I suppose I should install old drivers.

As much as I appreciate you helping me out, I do not appreciate the condescending comments. I do not feel that I was bad mouthing "to people." I was simply stating what I had discovered as a result of trying to figure out the problem. I am still learning, yes, but your condescending attitude is quite disrespectful.

Nonetheless, thank you for pointing out my issue and providing a solution.
Edited by SI51 - 6/12/11 at 11:06pm
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Like I said in my edit, you should have made a thread in the folding section, you would have gotten your issue fixed pretty easily. Easier to get help there rather than google, but now it's kinda too late because you've already misinformed people that folding is bad for them.
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What drivers are you using?

Also you should have posted this in the F@H forums...
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Like I said in my edit, you should have made a thread in the folding section, you would have gotten your issue fixed pretty easily. Easier to get help there rather than google, but now it's kinda too late because you've already misinformed people that folding is bad for them.
I did not feel it appropriate for the folding section because it had to do due with gaming performance from a video card, I simply refereed to F@H as the culprit to my problem because of my testing results. I did blame F@H, but based on my inexperience and frustration with this, I would think many other would as well. In hindsight, yes, I think it would be more appropriate for the F@H section because I do figure, mistakenly at that, that F@H is the problem. Which, still does not warrant or justify your condescending attitude.

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What drivers are you using?

Also you should have posted this in the F@H forums...
I'm using 275, I will be re-installing 266 per juano's suggestion.

Yes, I should have posted it in the F@H forums, I realize this now. I am sorry.
Edited by SI51 - 6/12/11 at 11:25pm
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Dude don't talk to me about my attitude when you blame folding after a half-hearted (not allowed to curse) attempt at investigating and concluding that folding was the culprit. If you can make two threads in the Nvidia section and talk to EVGA and have the problem occur over 3 weeks, you can take the extra minute to check in the folding section to see if you are missing something obvious. You investigate the problem over weeks, but then latch onto folding being the problem inside of 24 hours and decide that the world must know about it being the root of your problem immediately, before you check to actually see if you are right. If you want any actual help then you ought to listen to Chris, I'll only be here to show you and others that you may mislead how mistaken and obtuse you were.
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Dude don't talk to me about my attitude when you blame folding after a half-hearted (not allowed to curse) attempt at investigating and concluding that folding was the culprit. If you can make two threads in the Nvidia section and talk to EVGA and have the problem occur over 3 weeks, you can take the extra minute to check in the folding section to see if you are missing something obvious. You investigate the problem over weeks, but then latch onto folding being the problem inside of 24 hours and decide that the world must know about it being the root of your problem immediately, before you check to actually see if you are right.
True, however that's why I made a post, in order to not only fix the supposed F@H problem, but also to see if it was indeed the culprit. Which was discovered, and I thanked you for that. I did not mention this in the OP, which, clearly, was a mistake based on your response.

All of this is covered in former posts where I realize that I made a stupid decision in placing this in the NVIDIA forum, when it belongs in the F@H forum.

My sincere apologies, but you must of had a bad day, or something.
Edited by SI51 - 6/12/11 at 11:34pm
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