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I will start off by saying I am completely new to water cooling. I have gone through a read a lot of the essentials thread and watched a few of the videos, that was pretty helpful. Though I am still here with a few questions overall about cooling and getting everything done with out completely bricking the new system.

Alright before I jump into the purposed system I would like to mention that I live in the barracks with a roommate. My reason for water cooling is based on a few factors but a big one is noise. Decent system temperatures with low noise levels, air cooling is just too loud. I will be sleeping only a few feet away from my computer and have to worry about the noise factor with a roommate living just a few feet away from me in the same room.

During "normal" gaming hours I can have a louder system and of course on weekends noise is not too much of an issue. However some lite late night gaming, I would prefer not to have all the fans spin up and make a ton of noise. So that is the brief background information, now lets list the system parts.

Excluding a few items:
MOBO: ASUS Maximus IV Extreme
CPU: Intel Core i7 2600k Sandy Bridge
RAM: Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3 1600 (2x 4GB)
GFX: 2x Sapphire HD 6970 in CrossFireX
SSD: OCZ Vertex 3 240GB - OS & Games
PSU: Undecided, looking at a few different 1000w choices
CASE: Undecided, any case that would fit the needs of the determined water cooling kit. I was looking at the NZXT Phantom but it doesn't support Triple Radiator.

I am looking to cool my CPU, GFX Cards for sure, possibly my RAM and SSD. Depending on costs and if there is even a reason to water cool the last two items. So what I am looking for is idea's on a Case and Complete Water Cooling system. All the talk of different sizes for everything has me a bit confused, I have the general understanding of the loop and how it all works together, just getting the right parts for the job is where I am stuck.

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated and I am very open to idea's and questions.
    
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First off, Welcome to OCN.
Secondly, you must remember that the radiators still need fans. Which usually means your going to need more(and louder) fans than before to cool them. Perhaps you may want to look at getting better air cooling, and creating separate fan profiles for day and night usage for your GPUs.
    
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One of the big draws to water cooling for me was to elliminate that horrible stock GPU fan noise. Those things are like twice as loud as anything else in my system.

Cooling RAM may help if you're overclocking it but it's generally only an aesthetics choice. I dont see any possible reason for cooling an SSD except, again, simply for looks.
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Don't bother with Ram, SSD or HDD cooling. It is not worth it unless money is not a factor and its is just for looks/to impress others.

Personally I would say do just the CPU/GPUs, and for that you could get an XSPC bayres that holds a MCP655 (It is really nice, I cant even tell my pump is on).

Fittings/Compressions & tubing, AFAIK, 1/2 ID is best due to lower restriction which will keep the water moving. (Not that it should matter in a GPU/CPU loop). Probably 1/2 ID 3/4 OD is best, I went with 1/2 ID 5/8 OD and I had no clue how soft the tubing was due to the thinner wall. If you go with barbs then you need either clamps or worm drive clamps, if you go compressions make sure the ID/OD of the compressions match your tubing ID/OD.

Basically for the CPU just pick a block that fits it, there are so many options with .5C of varience within the top 5 or so. The XSPC Rasa is good as is the Koolance 360/370 the Heatkiller 3.0, The EK Supreme HF, all are very good. If you do go EK you won't find a Nickel CPU block and even if you did find one go with copper. (EK has been having nickel problems)

For the GPUs I know there are several block manufacturers that may or may not have blocks for them, but there is Aquacomputer, Heatkiller, XSPC, Koolance and EK. (I may have missed some but those are what I can think of)

For the Rad, definitely a 360 or better, a 360 would be ok but if your going to OC a lot you may want more and more rad space also can = lower fan speed which can mean less fan noise. A HAF X can fit a 360 but it gets a bit small, personally I would say get something larger but I don't know what other cases will hold a 360 besides an 800D. You could get a 360 and add a 120/140 on the rear exhaust to increase rad space.
    
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@MR KROGOTH: Thank you, been creeping the forms for a few weeks and decided to register today. I understand fans will be used to cool the radiator but I was hoping to keep everything internal and maybe getting some sound proof material to try keep the noise at a minimum. I have also looked into some of the quieter fans and was hoping with it being all internal that the fans on low while sleeping and medium to high in shorter bursts for endless hours of gaming.

@Glancey: Stock GPU fans really kill me, I feel like no matter how well I maintain my system to be sure it has proper air flow those damn fans always sound like jet engines when they flip to high in about 45 minutes to an hour of a game. Just by eliminating these fans I am sure I am in for a much more peaceful game play. Where I dont have to get noise canceling headphones every time I want to play.

I know this forum dosnt do a lot of spoon feeding and for a good reason. I am more looking for suggestions on different types of parts I should be looking into. Will a single triple radiator cool both my CPU and GFX cards or should I go with one triple and maybe a double just to make sure temps stay in check. My original thought was maybe to go with a triple and a double to keep everything cool enough that I dont really have to ever crank the radiator fans on high. This idea could be ridiculous and maybe I should go with a bigger radiator from the start and just mount it externally. Then my question in that area would be, which radiator should I be looking at to keep both my CPU and GFX cards cool to the point that only on extreme gaming weekends would I ever need to turn the fans up past low?

I might be far off base here and what I am trying to do here just isnt the option I am looking for, however if there is a way to consistently keep the temperature down without having my computer sound like its ready for a shuttle launch and wearing headphones all the time, please point me in the right direction and give me suggestions on the parts I will be needing for this venture. I will do all the research and find which company makes "x" product better than the other and go from there, just need a push.

Edit:
@DarkHollow: I just missed you post while typing mine. That was the information I was looking for, thank you. I will do some research into that and see what I can come up with. I am not a big fan of the HAF X but the 800D just looks nice, clean and roomy. I dont plan to overclock all that much, a little on the GFX cards and then probably bring the CPU to 4.4/4.8 Ghz. I dont plan on messing with the RAM unless I can find a real benefit to it. The SSD would be purely aesthetics to kinda show off my max iops vertex 3 to some friends.
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Xigmatek Elysium for a case that has plenty of rad options 360 or 480
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My main concern with your build is that you will want to be running slower fans for silence (best would prob be some Gentle Typhoon Ap-14s on a fan controller). That basically means you will be running more rad space, so a 360 or even a 480 probably wont cut it.

I mean they'll dump the heat ok and do it silently, but you will be running warmer than you really should on water.


For rads designed for slow fans anyway, I would recommend either hardware labs black ice SR1 radiators or XSPC RX radiators, both will perform well with slower silent fans.

For a pump since silence is key, I would normally recommend an MCP35x, which they can run silently with PWM, you would prob be better with a MPC355 since they much quieter at max load (though not as powerful). Somebody else might have a recommendation for a D5 pump that would work well though.

With all that in mind you need a hell of a lot of rad space realistically, I don't know a case other than say a mountain mods, and I don't think those are really built for silence, more performance... Maybe a 700D or 800D with an additional externally mounted rad...


Edit:
Do Not Get A Rasa Kit

They are not silent, some people may say they are and perhaps their pumps are quiet, mine however makes more noise than all of my other computers put together. It's like a petrol generator!
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The Silverstone TJ07 is a little dated, but you can fit a 120.4 rad in the bottom.
This is my old system and it performed very well.

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The Silverstone TJ07 is a little dated, but you can fit a 120.4 rad in the bottom.
This is my old system and it performed very well.
The TJ07 MAY be a little dated, but it's still one of the best WC chassis out there, and quite possibly the sexiest case ever made.
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The TJ07 MAY be a little dated, but it's still one of the best WC chassis out there, and quite possibly the sexiest case ever made.
Xigmatek Elysium think this 1 beats it imo anyway takes a 480 + 360 on the bottom +360 on the top
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