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Originally Posted by robchaos;13856408 
I had to crop out a good bit to get the framing I wanted. While the lens is decent for what it is, 200mm just wasn't quite enough to get me as close to the action as I wanted it. I know that will give me some softness as you cannot add pixels to the image. Cropping and resizing makes imperfections even more noticeable then the original image. Is there anything else that could contribute to softness besides cropping, motion blur, or focus? The shutter speed should have been fast enough to avoid blur and shake, and I have had no problems with focusing using the lens or camera. Sharpness always seems to be the problem i have. These pics were just quick 5 minute pp jobs just so I could throw something up. Tonight I will spend more time on them.

Thanks for taking the time to help. I really want to learn and one day be on a professional level.


The problem with cropping is that even with a lot of resolution, there will always be a drop in IQ. I can get very decent crops with my 5DII, but they never look as good if I were to fill the frame. But, as you say, it's not always possible.

As for the softness, besides cropping I think it's just a limitation of the lens. While a good lens for the money, like many budget zooms, it's typically softest at the long end of focal range.
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Well, I'm a lot happier with the idea that I've merely hit the limitation of my lens. There's no way I'm that shaky to make such a soft photo at 1/1000 shutter speed. I will try and crop less and see if it looks a little better. I still feel like they aren't THAT bad given the low end lens I was using. I still have a lot to learn in terms of pp though. Thanks for the input. I'll update this later tonight with new pics.
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test-1.jpg
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Tried to crop less.
I was using a different editing program this time around though, Cyberlink has a program called PhotoDirector that is in beta and if you provide them with feedback they give a retail key for the program ($99 value so they say). It is pretty much like a buggy version of lightroom that is missing a couple things (such as defringing)
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Show us an uncropped version of one of those photos with a player(s) in it.
post #15 of 26
If you can't afford Photoshop or Lightroom, just use Picasa and Gimp. Gets you the same thing, really.
post #16 of 26
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@laboitenoire, I have lightroom, I'm just not very good at processing I suppose.

@sub These are uncropped and also unprocessed. I took the RAW data from lightroom and exported it as a 100 quality JPEG. White Balance was set on Auto, shooting in RAW.

From where I was sitting, at full zoom this is what I was seeing. To me these do not look to be very good IQ at all, and I do not know if that is what to expect from a low end telephoto lens, or if there is something wrong with my technique. Looking at my histograms, I notice that I tend to shoot a little towards underexposing. Nothing looks completely clipped, but I see that it is having a negative effect on my work. To top it off this is probably the lens that I use the least. I do not have much experience with it at all. Most of my practice has been with my 90mm 2.8 and 18-55

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post #17 of 26
Shoot manual, all day everyday.
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Shoot manual, all day everyday.

^ this

The one thing I've learned so far is to shoot full manual with raw files and underexpose slightly because its easier to bring out the colors than deal with washed out areas
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Originally Posted by mjl4878;13873667 
^ this

The one thing I've learned so far is to shoot full manual with raw files and underexpose slightly because its easier to bring out the colors than deal with washed out areas

Actually, you should be overexposing, since noise is most apparent in shadows.
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Shoot manual, all day everyday.

I do. The only thing that was set on auto was my white balance, because that is easy to change in lightroom. My camera mode knob does not touch anything other then M biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by sub50hz;13873997 
Actually, you should be overexposing, since noise is most apparent in shadows.


That is what I had read as well. I have been training myself not to worry so much about what appears on the LCD screen as much as what the histogram looks like.

Is there anything that I need to change about my technique, or are my pictures about as good as I could expect given the lens? That is what I am trying to figure out. If there is something about my technique I can modify to get better results, I definitely want to do that.
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