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Web pages are not applications???.. Clearly you have never stepped into an office and used a web based application?...

mk.
OR "Office" Web. They've done an excellent job (and it's free)
http://office.live.com

Pretty much all google sites are considered web applications - gmail/reader/maps etc
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Web pages are not applications???.. Clearly you have never stepped into an office and used a web based application?...

mk.
The point I am making is that web based applications never match the quality of full blown apps. Not even close. Anyone who has actually worked in the industry will tell you the same. Yeah they have a lot of advantages, but the user experience is poor.
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Best thing to do is buy a cheap, used copy of Vista from an idiot who "upgraded to Windows 7 because Vista sucks". lol
Actually, the Windows 7 kernel is significantly optimized compared to Vista, although they are very similar. Many benchmarks prove this and there is a very good reason. The development of Vista was problematic due to a large portion of its early development being devoted to WINFS, which was dropped. This is why Windows 7 boots and shuts down two are three times faster than Vista did on any machine I have installed both operating systems on. It also loads applications faster. Additionally, I've never once seen a BSOD with Windows 7 (unless it was related to a hardware problem), but BSOD on fresh Vista installations was significantly more frequent than with Windows 7.

As you are aware, Windows 7 (blackcomb) is based on the original concept that was supposed to succeed XP (it was cancelled, then uncancelled). Vista (longhorn) was originally intended to be dramatically different than XP. An executive decided to nuke NTFS and replace it with WINFS. Sanity eventually gained a foothold and about two years into development of WINFS, it was instead abandoned. This resulted in Windows Vista effectively being rushed through development in half the time needed. Consequently, it was not well optimized.

I personally know a Microsoft developer who has expressed the above view (good chance he would lose his job if he said that publicly). According to the developers, the problem with Vista (Longhorn) is that the project was highjacked and this caused them to waste a lot of time. When they finally had a working proof-of-concept for Vista they had to rush it through development resulting in a product that was superior to XP in many ways, but not well optimized.

Imagine being in a project where you are told to build a subcompact automobile, then being told after you have assembled the suspension, frame, and engine, that you need to change it to an SUV. Then, after re-building the frame and suspension, you are told that you need to change it back to a subcompact. Vista was that subcompact. Windows 7 is what the subcompact would have been like if the development had been allowed to progress from start to finish unmolested.

Vista and Windows 7 are more alike than different, but they are simply not the same operating system and it is a mistake to believe they are. It is important to note such past developments when considering what might happen with Windows 8. Often dramatic changes in Windows operating systems never materialize or are hampered by interference.
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How come every single thread that pops up about Windows 8 is full of people thinking the tablet version is going to completely replace the desktop version?

Why the hell hasn't anyone figured out that they are different yet?
    
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Vista also crashed a lot due to the massive overhaul in the driver architecture. All hardware vendors had to rewrite their drivers for it, including nVida/ATI - who really took their sweet time. They're actually responsible for a large majority of BSOD's in Vista.
You cannot blame MS for that either - the overhaul was required and vendors had YEARS to comply during their betas.
post #46 of 93
Microsoft's releases are checkered with success:

Windows (Me) <-- fail
Windows XP <-- success
Windows Vista <-- fail
Windows 7 <-- success

Can we guess, based on this pattern, how Windows 8 will fair? (and let's ignore that skipping pattern examining older versions).
    
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Can we guess, based on this pattern, how Windows 8 will fair? (and let's ignore that skipping pattern examining older versions).
If your extrapolation fails backwards, what means it won't fail forward?

This is just Microsoft's decision to use Javascript and HTML5 for their rich content applications in Windows. That doesn't mean developers have wasted all their time learning other languages. That doesn't mean that everything will only run on JS and HTML5

I don't know why people think you can write an OS or performance based apps in HTML5 or JS
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I'm content with Windows 7... It appears I'll be skipping at least one generation of Windows this time around.
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Microsoft's releases are checkered with success:

Windows 95 <-- success
Windows 98/SE <-- success
Windows (Me) <-- fail
Windows 2000 <--success
Windows XP <-- success
Windows Vista <-- fail
Windows 7 <-- success
Windows 8 <-- wait and see


Well if u actually add in all the versions it would look different.But we can just start back at Win 95. A lot of people i know used Windows 2000 on a desktop was better over fail ME and better then 98. I also remember some people crying during XP development that it wouldnt be so great because it was based off NT, we know how that turned out.
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post #50 of 93
What about windows 3 , I quite liked it at the time.
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