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Seemingly the performance overhead is about 10-15%, and OCing overhead is about the same, though I'm unsure of the difference per-clock.

Also, what's the best GTX570 to get? I was thinking the ASUS DCII, but it's non-reference and I won't be able to get a full coverage water block, which I plan to get in the future. Basically the plan is to get a 570 + watercooling for the CPU, or get a 580, save 100 bucks, and wait for watercooling when I have more funds.
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Get the 570 Reference.
    
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I think the 580 isn't worth it over the 570. In a review I did a while back when I worked at nv news, I found that the 570 (and the 570 overclocked) comes REAL close to 580 performance, for a lot less coin.

Here's something you might find valuable:

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Overclocking

I wanted to see how much closer the EVGA GTX 570 SuperClocked could get to GTX 580-level performance. In games and synthetic benchmarks it did around 88-96% as good, and it stood to reason that a decent overclock would close the gap. So I tested Heaven, 3DMark 11, Lost Planet 2 and Far Cry 2 so I could get a wide range of rendering methods and get a broad perspective on the capabilities of this new Fermi (done right) card. Using EVGA Precision and OC Scanner, I tested some clock speeds, and settled on what appears to be an overclock that borders between modest and aggressive, 860/1720 core, 2300/4600 for the memory. I did not alter voltages, I simply adjusted clock speeds. Results are as follows:

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I think the 580 isn't worth it over the 570. In a review I did a while back when I worked at nv news, I found that the 570 (and the 570 overclocked) comes REAL close to 580 performance, for a lot less coin.

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+1 what he said

If you have watercooling in your future you're probably stuck with reference. Though the Asus PCB is veeery nice.
   
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post #5 of 46
Some waterblocks will work with non-reference designs, obviously check before buying the card though. But to be safe and save money, I'd just get a reference card if you're definitely planning on watercooling it later.

As for the 570 vs 580, it really depends what you will be doing with it. If it's for folding, the 570 and 580 are very close when it comes to ppd. And it goes without saying the 580 will perform better overall in-game, but I'm not sure about the difference per clock either. If budget is a big concern, go with whatever you find cheaper. For me it was a used 580 for $370 , otherwise I probably would of stuck with a 570 or even 560 Ti.
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Takes a lot to get to stock 580 performance but 580s can overclock like champs, especially the triple wide asus version which costs just as much as a reference.
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you do realize that most 580s do 900+ mhz and run cooler than the older gen 480s......people keep saying that you can oc the 570 to match the 580s performance.......so what happens when you oc the 580
    
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Quote:
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you do realize that most 580s do 900+ mhz and run cooler than the older gen 480s......people keep saying that you can oc the 570 to match the 580s performance.......so what happens when you oc the 580
Well obviously the 580 would pull ahead again after an overclock, that's common sense...
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Wow, where'd you get a used 580 for 370...

Also, for non-reference 570s i was thinking universal water block + individual heatsinks. Of course, that's messy and VRM cooling won't be as good. I am a bit disappointed by the 4 phase VRM on reference 570s. 1.1v is hardly much of an overhead when the avg voltage seems to get around 1.0v to begin with. I noticed the non-reference cards have the BIOS lock the voltage to 1.1V, can it be modded? Like the DCII
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i would wait for a newegg open box deal on a reference 570. They can be had for under $200 when open box. Great card. Also the msi twinfrozr II is technically non reference pcb but it is reference style and will work with full cover blocks.

so if you see a deal on some twin frozr II 570's dont hesitate to get them. the pcb is identical to the reference pcb in every way except the nvidia logo.
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