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Not to be offensive here, but please read the article and all that stuff before trying to argue something. It's not the fact that they get bonuses that you won't be able to get in any way (unlockables, buying, etc). And it's not just the fact that they're bonuses either, it's the fact that they're weapons. Now I understand that they're not going to unbalance the game with a few small things, but at the same time, they're not just copying another gun and all its stats and then reskinning it. That's what you normally get in a multiplayer game if you pre-order: new skins. Something that in absolutely no way can affect gameplay. Now if I don't pre-order it, I wouldn't care if I didn't get the special gold guns or super cool avatar or different skins, but if I will never be able to use an in-game weapon because I wanted reviews to come out before I played, I'd be pretty pissed.

Second off here, your comparison makes no sense in this situation. Once again I feel like this is a misunderstanding that stems from not reading the article, but the correct example would be if the salesman offered something that could potentially change the performance of the car (ie not a jacket) and then was told that he couldn't buy the part unless he pre-ordered a car (note that this isn't just he can't get it for free if he doesn't pre-order it, it's that there is absolutely no way he can acquire the part, even with money).

I'm pretty sure people would be happy if they made it a paid DLC ($5) even a month after the game came out, just like the maps. They did it with SPECACT and people bought those... and they're not even new weapons, just reskinned weapons and four more loadouts, nothing that could potentially (keyword right there) screw up gameplay.

Thank you for noticing this.

You got that for having a veteran score, not for pre-ordering the game. Try again.
With the greatest respect, I have read the article, and I stand by my argument. It's an incentive to pre-order. People will be able to play the beta and then make a choice so it can't be wholly ill-educated, and reviews will be out before the release anyway, not that there are many reviews which would be substantial grounds for an educated decision.

The comparison wasn't mean't to be entirely relevant, I would have thought that obvious. Regardless - given the changes to the example you have made, and taking into account the fact that EA has stated that the weapons will give no advantage - the point still stands, if you want the extra stuff be prepared to make a little effort to bloody get them.

The true meaning of exclusive, and the whole point of the content included only in the pre-order is that it is only available in the pre-order and no-one who hasn't invested or shown apparent loyalty gets it, regardless of the fact they will pay extra. It is fair that way - else we would only have arguments of elitism in the future.

Can someone explain what fear they have of pre-orders?

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post #232 of 324
So, lets just assume this actually changes something about the game. I know, a very small chance of it happening.

The only thing that will change is that instead of it being pre-order only it will be pre-order and $10 DLC.
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post #233 of 324
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I WILL BUY THE MISSING COPY'S!!!!!111

Christ if you keep doing this we wont have ANY fps game to play on the PC
Agreed.

Stop being stupid nerds. It's a game.
Most of the time, those guns will not be the most popular in the game and won't make a difference.
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I'm seriously re-considering any pre-order or purchase of BF3 solely on the principle of potentially game-changing weapons and add-ons being exclusive as pre-order DLC. Those who aren't expressing negativity towards this are just enabling publishers to nickel-and-dime gamers for less content, content that should be (and in the past, was) included in the original purchase.

0-day DLC is bad and if we just let publishers continue without resistance, it can only get worse. Even Activision doesn't lock you out of weapons unless you pre-order. EA is below Activision with this move.
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post #235 of 324
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So, lets just assume this actually changes something about the game. I know, a very small chance of it happening.

The only thing that will change is that instead of it being pre-order only it will be pre-order and $10 DLC.
That is exactly what it should be... but its not.. the PWP is preorder only (for now)

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post #236 of 324
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Yes, players can still get the M1 even if they didn't pre-order the game. How hard is it to make an account on the BF1943 demo or BFHeroes or BF Play4Free and get your veteran score to one?

Also, you do agree that they're different, then? It's not just a reskin? Because then you just proved my point, they're giving something that is different and could potentially change the gameplay of some players.

I think you missed when I said it's all about potential. You saying that it's not going to screw up gameplay is using the same assumption that I am using, just on the other end... and don't give me that "they told us it wouldn't" crap. It wouldn't be the first time a game developer has tried and failed at doing something.
Tell me.............did you actually read my post properly or just skim through, find the parts you wanted and just reply to the parts you felt like addressing or???

The main point of my post had nothing to do with how easy it is to unlock it via dummy accounts or whatever.

The WHOLE point of my post was to show you that the weapons were different, but that the weapon that had to be unlocked with those dummy accounts (the M1) gives NO ADVANTAGE OVER THE WEAPON IT WAS COPIED FROM (THE M14) AND HAS WORSE STATS IN PLACES.

Therefore, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE for DICE to add a weapon like the T88 as an exclusive unlock and have it provide absolutely no discernible advantage other than the benefit of choice of aesthetic.
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post #237 of 324
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I thought it would too, but then I looked at the track record.

Boycotters did the same thing with BC and EA backed down.
The boycott worked perfectly.
This.

All you people trashing the boycotters, INCLUDING THE MODERATORS (who should know not to act in such a fashion on these forums) really need to examine their posts and determine whether or not they fall foul of the Terms of Service.




Anyway, up until this point I didn't know those weapons were exclusive to the preorder and won't be available in game at all (unless you preorder). That is disgusting and I support (but not join) this boycott. I've been very vocal about this over the last few days myself and this just confirmed my worst fears for this title. Just because you preorder the game it doens't mean you deserve ANYTHING more than people that simply buy it full price (seeing as preorders get a discount).

You people trashing others need to wake the hell up.
    
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Tell me.............did you actually read my post properly or just skim through, find the parts you wanted and just reply to the parts you felt like addressing or???

The main point of my post had nothing to do with how easy it is to unlock it via dummy accounts or whatever.

The WHOLE point of my post was to show you that the weapons were different, but that the weapon that had to be unlocked with those dummy accounts (the M1) gives NO ADVANTAGE OVER THE WEAPON IT WAS COPIED FROM (THE M14) AND HAS WORSE STATS IN PLACES.

Therefore, it is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE for DICE to add a weapon like the T88 as an exclusive unlock and have it provide absolutely no discernible advantage other than the benefit of choice of aesthetic.
Who gives a rats arse if it gives no advantage. People who preorder are no more valuable than people who don't. EA don't get anything extra from people who preorder (in fact they pay less) so why give them the extra stuff?
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I haven't bought anything from EA since they suspended a player from his own purchased for game early this year by suspending his forum account. When Gamestop has a buy 2 get one free sale next month, I'll be getting Dragon Age II, Crysis 2 and Alice and EA won't be getting a penny.
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If they had another flash supressor I would have no qualms... if you think there would be and that they would just change the Brand... then you are fairly naive... flachete rounds are a type of ammunition and doubt there will be a replacement.. of course I don't know for sure so I can't say your wrong... but I am betting you are

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They re-skinned the M14 in BC2 and gave us an M1 Garand for owning more than a few Battlefield games.

If they can have two guns with different skins, why not two suppressors with different skins?

I dont understand.

Where is all this certainty that people have when noone can even confirm what the total weapon loadout is or what their stats are.

What solid info are the boycotters actually working on here?
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