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I can understand where El is coming from.

Single gpu, loves LN2, and cold chips.

Sandy isn't an improvement in those areas. He probably did get improved frames, and if he attempted to use fraps with both systems he would have seen a noticeable difference in actual cpu power.

However SB is easy, its easy all the way up to 5Ghz and beyond, its definitively not hard to overclock a SB chip. But I never found OC to be hard, there is an easy enough formula to follow and once you figure out your chips needs its pretty easy to hit random speeds and get the voltage right most of the time.

The big time people don't buy 5+ chips at a time because its pure skill, they do that because different chips overclock better. Its still all about the chip in the end, the best binned chip will beat the best overclocker.


SB isn't for people who like extreme cooling, its for people who like to use standard air or in some cases simple water loops to achieve performance found before only in LN2 and DICE runs.


Also how does the 570 unlock? I'm confused about that, sorry.
    
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I can understand where El is coming from.

Single gpu, loves LN2, and cold chips.

Sandy isn't an improvement in those areas. He probably did get improved frames, and if he attempted to use fraps with both systems he would have seen a noticeable difference in actual cpu power.

However SB is easy, its easy all the way up to 5Ghz and beyond, its definitively not hard to overclock a SB chip. But I never found OC to be hard, there is an easy enough formula to follow and once you figure out your chips needs its pretty easy to hit random speeds and get the voltage right most of the time.

The big time people don't buy 5+ chips at a time because its pure skill, they do that because different chips overclock better. Its still all about the chip in the end, the best binned chip will beat the best overclocker.


SB isn't for people who like extreme cooling, its for people who like to use standard air or in some cases simple water loops to achieve performance found before only in LN2 and DICE runs.


Also how does the 570 unlock? I'm confused about that, sorry.
Bang on there

570 cpu. My bad, could of worded that better.
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I pose this question to all of you out there that have converted from a Phenom II to either an i5-2500K or i7-2600K.

1) Was the cost/hassle worth the jump?

2) Did you receive noticeable performance gains? If so, in what applications?

3) Any difference in gaming (at typical resolutions - 1080p/1200p)?
I don't have SB but even X58 is faster than current Phenoms so...

1. I'm sure it will worth the jump

2. Multithreaded (video rendering, encoding, 3d graphics applications, multithreaded games like GTA IV)

3. Haha... Are You kidding? My PII X4 920 @ 4GHz=GTA 4 29-34fps, my current i7 setup in GTA4=51-56fps avg. on highest settings

Yes it's worth it.
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I can understand where El is coming from.

Single gpu, loves LN2, and cold chips.

Sandy isn't an improvement in those areas. He probably did get improved frames, and if he attempted to use fraps with both systems he would have seen a noticeable difference in actual cpu power.

However SB is easy, its easy all the way up to 5Ghz and beyond, its definitively not hard to overclock a SB chip. But I never found OC to be hard, there is an easy enough formula to follow and once you figure out your chips needs its pretty easy to hit random speeds and get the voltage right most of the time.

The big time people don't buy 5+ chips at a time because its pure skill, they do that because different chips overclock better. Its still all about the chip in the end, the best binned chip will beat the best overclocker.


SB isn't for people who like extreme cooling, its for people who like to use standard air or in some cases simple water loops to achieve performance found before only in LN2 and DICE runs.


Also how does the 570 unlock? I'm confused about that, sorry.
I think he's referring to a Phenom II X2 570, which would unlock to an X4 970 according to his CPU-Z's.

I wish MC accepted returns on CPU's so I could keep testing them for the best OC

Oh wells... my loop will just go to waste a little bit on this upgrade.
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Bang on there

570 cpu. My bad, could of worded that better.
Haha Awesome.

Hopefully SBe provides the LN2 runs you so love... I thought for a long time the problem with sandy is the on die gpu, in the winter when I first got my sandy it wouldn't post to the discrete gpu below 0C, it would still post and boot into windows, but I wouldn't give a display. I think that was because of the on die gpu.

Not everyone has the same needs/desires, which is why there are so many chips to choose from.

SB isn't the end all be all of chips and the only one everyone should use.
    
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Just out of curiosity, why did you move from a 570 down to a 560ti?
So i could go SLI down the road - i've always wanted to try it (i get paid on Friday so my other 560ti 2gb should arrive next week). My old Phantom 570 took up 3 slots and i'm using MATX - so using two cards of that size wasn't an option. The extra money also helped when upgrading to Sandy. Also better for power consumption, heat and noise etc! Not to mention my 2600K will probably have a better time pushing along two GF-114 chips more so than anything else.
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I think he's referring to a Phenom II X2 570, which would unlock to an X4 970 according to his CPU-Z's.

I wish MC accepted returns on CPU's so I could keep testing them for the best OC

Oh wells... my loop will just go to waste a little bit on this upgrade.
they accept exchanges within 30 days. I have returned a CPU or two before, but you gotta make a big enough fuss about it, its not something they enjoy doing.

El why not X58 to PII?
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Phenom II was really meant to compete with Wolfdale/Conroe, which it does nicely. We'll have to wait until Bulldozer before we get a real competitor to Sandy Bridge.

I've done some Sandy Bridge builds and let me tell you, they are really, really fast, overclock really well and all together are great cpu's. A Phenom can't stack up.
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Jeez, coming from an AM2 of course I noticed a freaking HUGE difference. I can max out GTAIV and get 90FPS Temps never go past 60ºc My old AM2 broke several times, temmps always at 75ºc-I'm glad I went Sandy.
    
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My previous CPU was an 840T X6. I don't game or fold so in hindsight I didn't need to "upgrade". I just like messing with newer/different setups. Got my 2500K for $190 new, and ASRock Z68 Pro3 for $130 after shipping and taxes.

So adding up my previous cpu+mobo cost it's a difference of $150. Not really worth it for what I use my computer for (Adobe Lightroom 3, encoding, web browsing) and don't see any real world differences (well I do see lower power consumption which is a given ). And my previous setup was more stable because I have more experience tweaking AMD systems than Intel ones.
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