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Careful, we can't hurt self-esteem. I recieved a warning from a mod for calling him on the carpet on a few of his...well lie is such an ugly word...untruths?

I just cannot understand the motivation to post this. As for 80 FPS being low... are you crazy? 9/10 people don't own a 120hz monitor. Seriously, your so misinformed.
How is this bad? I am just suggesting to save for SB-E or IB. Also, well if you have GPUs that get 75 FPS on 1156, and you have GPUs on 1155 that gets 78, you won't notice it either. Just nulled your points.
    
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What are you talking about. You claimed 80 FPS was laughable. I never even commented on the OP except that it's old news which has been posted about by members of mutliple tech forums for months. The last time I bothered reading about this was when people were debating the merit of the NF200 chip which nullified the advantage the X58 platform held over SB with it's lack of PCI-E lanes. Seriously lol dude.

I'm confused: what did you nullify? 80FPS is more than 9/10 people need. The only way you need more that 80 FPS is on 120hz monitor solutions. Granted that 80 FPS in that review would drop in a multi-monitor setup, but again that's such a small percentage of the market... Honestly, just drop it. You posted something uninformed and trying to back it up makes you look worse.



This doesn't change anything. New hardware is better than old hardware! What a shocker. I would certainly hope a new gen GPU would beat an old gen GPU, and that both company's multi-monitor programs are scaling better now. Of course the 470's are slower than 6970's. That had nothing to do with anything. The fact remains 80 FPS is more than sufficient, and that the only time two 470's will struggle (versus even your 6970's) to provide a playable frame rate is if you have 120hz monitors or game in multi-monitor settings.
They also struggle in Crysis alot(As seen in his post, 47 FPS) if you want to get 60FPS at all times.
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Don't bother, I'm already well aware of what 6970s can do. Which is why I laughed so hard when you said my 470s were slow.

6970s @ 1000Mhz


470s @ 900Mhz
900MHz on 470 is way more of an overclock that 1000MHz for the 6970. Also try with newer drivers.
    
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When using 2x of todays High-end GPU's for SLI or Crossfire you need all the CPU power you can get. That is a simple fact. Using one GPU is a different story though. But even here, there are a few games showing the need for more and more CPU power.
    
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How is this bad? I am just suggesting to save for SB-E or IB. Also, well if you have GPUs that get 75 FPS on 1156, and you have GPUs on 1155 that gets 78, you won't notice it either. Just nulled your points.
you do realize that a variation of Ivy Bridge will come out for 1155 right?

as for your original statement... sb comes into form with more gpus and or higher range gpus in multiple gpu configs...

there is a bench that shows quad 590s with a 2500k vs it with another chip.. let me find it

EDIT: i couldn't find the specific bench but i do see fps gains between your i7 and a 2600k
looky here:http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/108?vs=287
(both at stock)

look at the fps, most show an improvement with the same gpu paired with a 2600k
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People are in here saying the upgrade is worth the 400 USD or so for a 2500k and P8p67 pro(That's from MC too). I am saying save for SB-E which is more of a sane move.
Is it really though? I would challenge it could be the less sane move.

Consider this. What is Sandy Bridge e other than the existing Sandy Bridge with quad channel RAM and maybe two extra cores? Is it even anything new or anything else? I'm asking legitimately, because as far as I thought, it was just Sandy Bridge with Quad channel RAM for those with disposable income. If it's not more IPC (unlikely), or clocked higher (a chance, but it likely won't overclock further nullifying that to those who overclock), then it's nothing truly new, yet has a higher cost. So it's a worse value than Sandy Bridge.

If it's nothing new, yet more expensive, what makes it worth it when Sandy Bridge isn't? It'll likely perform no better, yet cost more, and you say that's worth upgrading to yet the cheaper alternative that already exists now isn't? I don't get that. You're suggesting Sandy Bridge brings nothing for LGA1366 owners, but then suggesting the same thing at a higher price will.

Lastly, I'll do what you did in the OP.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/108?vs=54

Look at that, my CPU performs as good as yours in games where threads aren't a factor. That means Core 2 Quad owners should be downplaying Nehalem when it comes strictly to gaming, right?
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Is it really though? I would challenge it could be the less sane move.

Consider this. What is Sandy Bridge e other than the existing Sandy Bridge with quad channel RAM and maybe two extra cores? Is it even anything new or anything else? I'm asking legitimately, because as far as I thought, it was just Sandy Bridge with Quad channel RAM for those with disposable income. If it's not more IPC (unlikely), or clocked higher (a chance, but it likely won't overclock further nullifying that to those who overclock), then it's nothing truly new, yet has a higher cost. So it's a worse value than Sandy Bridge.

If it's nothing new, yet more expensive, what makes it worth it when Sandy Bridge isn't? It'll likely perform no better, yet cost more, and you say that's worth upgrading to yet the cheaper alternative that already exists now isn't? I don't get that. You're suggesting Sandy Bridge brings nothing for LGA1366 owners, but then suggesting the same thing at a higher price will.

Lastly, I'll do what you did in the OP.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/108?vs=54

Look at that, my CPU performs as good as yours in games where threads aren't a factor. That means Core 2 Quad owners should be downplaying Nehalem when it comes strictly to gaming, right?
Umm, They've said IB will be about 20% faster, and SB-E is going to be a different chip with more cores. They wouldn't just release the same chip, specially as it will be more refined then and will allow for more OCs. At worse it's just a new stepping, which can make your OC from 3.7 on C0 chips go to 4GHz on D0 chips.
    
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I don't believe they said "clock for clock" and I'm also pretty sure they already confirmed IB on 1155 sometime in Q1 or Q2 of 2012.
It was Q1 2012, but I think it was pushed back to Q2 2012.
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Umm, They've said IB will be about 20% faster, and SB-E is going to be a different chip with more cores. They wouldn't just release the same chip, specially as it will be more refined then and will allow for more OCs. At worse it's just a new stepping, which can make your OC from 3.7 on C0 chips go to 4GHz on D0 chips.
Since when did Ivy Bridge enter this part of the discussion? You were talking about Sandy Bridge e being a good buy, when as I pointed out, it's no better (it's worse) than the existing Sandy Bridge is if you want to talk about it regarding value, because it's the same thing, not a new chip (it's called Sandy Bridge for a reason) at a higher cost at the expense of some "features" like quad channel tacked on. It's for those with disposable income. It is a worse value. It's going to be a bit better than Sandy Bridge overall, yes, but considering the higher cost, it is not a better value. Your argument was flawed to say Sandy Bridge is a bad buy and then suggest LGA2011 is.

Also, Ivy Bridge isn't exclusive to LGA2011. I think it's even hitting LGA1155 first. So, Sandy Bridge e will just be oversadowed yet again (unless you get a $1,000 version that may compete in threaded benchmarks, but'll still have less IPC, ala, a repeat of what we see now with Core i7 980x vs Sandy Bridge).

Ivy Bridge is worth waiting for, yes, I totally agree. However, I'm just pointing out the flawed thinking of saying Sandy Bridge is a poor value and Sandy Bridge e is a good one. It's more like the reverse.
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It was Q1 2012, but I think it was pushed back to Q2 2012.
Since when did Ivy Bridge enter this part of the discussion? You were talking about Sandy Bridge e being a good buy, when as I pointed out, it's no better (it's worse) than the existing Sandy Bridge is if you want to talk about it regarding value, because it's the same thing, not a new chip (it's called Sandy Bridge for a reason) at a higher cost at the expense of some "features" like quad channel tacked on. It's for those with disposable income. It is a worse value. It's going to be a bit better than Sandy Bridge overall, yes, but considering the higher cost, it is not a better value. Your argument was flawed to say Sandy Bridge is a bad buy and then suggest LGA2011 is.

Also, Ivy Bridge isn't exclusive to LGA2011. I think it's even hitting LGA1155 first. So, Sandy Bridge e will just be oversadowed yet again (unless you get a $1,000 version that may compete in threaded benchmarks, but'll still have less IPC, ala, a repeat of what we see now with Core i7 980x vs Sandy Bridge).

Ivy Bridge is worth waiting for, yes, I totally agree. However, I'm just pointing out the flawed thinking of saying Sandy Bridge is a poor value and Sandy Bridge e is a good one. It's more like the reverse.


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