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Ah right sorry about that. It used to use the AMOLED from samsung, however it was switched out.
Wait where does it say IPS?

If it's using a SLCD panel, then that's PVA.
Still trying to find a source other than Wikipedia that says PVA. Their source doesn't mention it.


When HTC first switched to SLCD they were saying IPS.


Edit: "Super TFT LCD" = S-LCD = IPS. I checked the edit history of the SLCD page and the mention of PVA was only added in December, with no supporting evidence. Its not even the right page anyway. SLCD is a company, and not the technology HTC uses in their phones.
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Still trying to find a source other than Wikipedia that says PVA. Their source doesn't mention it.


When HTC first switched to SLCD they were saying IPS.


Edit: "Super TFT LCD" = S-LCD = IPS. I checked the edit history of the SLCD page and the mention of PVA was only added in December, with no supporting evidence. Its not even the right page anyway. SLCD is a company, and not the technology HTC uses in their phones.
Odd I had posted regarding this post, it seems I didn't hit submit.

SLCD, (Sony/Samsung venture) is a well known manufacturer of PVA panels for TV's, particularly Sony TV's. This is pretty common knowledge as they use SLCD panels for some Sony Bravia TV's (and they use another manufacturer, I forget who).
SLCD panels are PVA. I have not heard of SLCD manufacturing any IPS panels, otherwise I'd hear about it.
Sony of course has since tried to or is or has partnered with Sharp. Not entirely sure on the Sony/Sharp issue.

Anyways, if this Super LCD indeed is an SLCD, then that's a PVA panel (I am unsure if they can be made that small, and still be economically feasible much like IPS panels (non eIPS mind you), -shrugs-).
It is still unclear what TFT LCD the Atrix really is other then having an RGBW Pentile sub pixel design.
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Incredible S is using AMOLED screens by Samsung, I am pretty sure it's a Pentile display, same as the Atrix.

I own the Atrix, it's actually not a bad screen much better then the Super AMOLED from the Galaxy (Captivate) series. Haven't seen the Galaxy S 2 for obvious USA reasons.
OK, you own the Atrix? You like the screen? That's good enough for me.


What I'm going to have to do is go to a Bell store and play around with the phones myself.

All the technologies you guys are mentioning (not directed at me I know) mean absolutely nothing to me.

So long as the screen is bright, vivid, crisp and an "A" comes up when I push the "A" button I'm happy.


Thanks anyways guys lol
    
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OK, you own the Atrix? You like the screen? That's good enough for me.


What I'm going to have to do is go to a Bell store and play around with the phones myself.

All the technologies you guys are mentioning (not directed at me I know) mean absolutely nothing to me.

So long as the screen is bright, vivid, crisp and an "A" comes up when I push the "A" button I'm happy.


Thanks anyways guys lol
Screen quite good. No issues with text. There are some issues with a few icons though, I assume it may be an issue of a low resolution image, I am not 100% sure.
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So long as the screen is bright, vivid, crisp and an "A" comes up when I push the "A" button I'm happy.
Atrix is none of those. I really, really urge you to spend a good deal of time comparing the Incredible S and Atrix. Definitely load up OCN. The high text density absolutely destroys pentile screens.

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Screen quite good. No issues with text. There are some issues with a few icons though, I assume it may be an issue of a low resolution image, I am not 100% sure.
Edit: Atrix uses RGBW pentile instead of RGBG.

Its not a low resolution image, its a low resolution screen. The white pixel in RGBW doesn't really do anything. Its just a trick to let them play with the resolution numbers. Instead of counting a pixel as RGB, they count pixels as RG and BW, so what is one pixel becomes two. So the 960x480 screen isn't really 960x480. The white pixel can't render color, and fully half the pixels in the screen can't display blue or white, while the other half can't display blue or true white. This leads to all kinds of visual artifacts. Its really only 960x480 under select circumstances. The rest of the time you can barely even call it a screen.
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Is HTC coming out with more phones this year? The incredible S seems a bit dated to me and I'm going to be using this phone for ~ 2 years.

Every phone is missing something.

I want dual core, 1 gig of memory, hdmi out and a superb screen.

Don't tell me I don't need a dual core because I don't need a smartphone at all lol
    
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the atrix has major heat issues if you use the hdmi out or even gps for too long they heat up very hot
    
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Atrix is none of those. I really, really urge you to spend a good deal of time comparing the Incredible S and Atrix. Definitely load up OCN. The high text density absolutely destroys pentile screens.



Its not a low resolution image, its a low resolution screen. Motorola is tricking you by counting the pixels wrong. There are 960x540 green pixels, but only 480x270 blue and red pixels. The color green isn't used very often, especially in web pages. Look at OCN, Engadget, Anandtech, reddit, CNN, and whatever other sites you visit. No green. That means most of the time its off you're only using 400x270 pixels.

Now, 400x270 on a 4" screen isn't bad. Its about the same DPI as a regular LCD screen. But it pales in comparison to an 800x480 display.
Okay. I know pretty well how Pentile arranges sub pixels. No need for a lesson in that. But of course your not reading.

Some icons show highly visible pixelation while others do not. While yes all icons do some jagged edge's from the bad RGBW Pentile display, it is not very visible at all from regular viewing distance. Some icons have the pixelation worse then others, which what I am blaming low res images which HAS been a problem in the past.

I've done some reading on the phone no issues with pixelation, could you tell exactly what kind of text density we're talking about?

Ill do a re comparison of the Iphone 4 vs the Atrix.
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Is HTC coming out with more phones this year? The incredible S seems a bit dated to me and I'm going to be using this phone for ~ 2 years.
HTC is coming out with some qHD phones. Not sure if they are RGBW or not.

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Don't tell me I don't need a dual core because I don't need a smartphone at all lol
But dual core on a smartphone is like getting the accessory package on your Ferrari.



If you're going to wait, then wait for the Galaxy S II, or one of the other SAMOLED+ phones.

Smartphones are 50% screen, 40% battery, and only 10% processing, so that last 10% is fairly trivial. How much power the phone has doesn't really matter as long as the interface is snappy. Its a smartphone, not a PC.


The Galaxy S II has a gorgeous screen, dual core, and great battery life in addition to being thin and lightweight. The only real downside is the lack of an optical joystick.

They are already out in Europe, and should get here some time this summer. We'll probably see the usual Captivate, Vibrant, etc... flavors just like the original Galaxy S.



AsAnAtheist, I edited my original post. I don't know as much about RGBW as I do about RGBG, so what I say is based solely on logic and my own experience comparing the Atrix side by side with my Desire.

The point is: sub pixel rendering. That's essentially the same as viewing a 2560x1440 image on a 1440x900 display and claiming you have a 2560x1440 display. The only difference is RGBW has a garbled pixel format that helps clarity a little.
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HTC is coming out with some qHD phones. Not sure if they are RGBW or not.



But dual core on a smartphone is like getting the accessory package on your Ferrari.



If you're going to wait, then wait for the Galaxy S II, or one of the other SAMOLED+ phones.

Smartphones are 50% screen, 40% battery, and only 10% processing, so that last 10% is fairly trivial. How much power the phone has doesn't really matter as long as the interface is snappy. Its a smartphone, not a PC.


The Galaxy S II has a gorgeous screen, dual core, and great battery life in addition to being thin and lightweight. The only real downside is the lack of an optical joystick.

They are already out in Europe, and should get here some time this summer. We'll probably see the usual Captivate, Vibrant, etc... flavors just like the original Galaxy S.



AsAnAtheist, I edited my original post. I don't know as much about RGBW as I do about RGBG, so what I say is based solely on logic and my own experience comparing the Atrix side by side with my Desire.

The point is: sub pixel rendering. That's essentially the same as viewing a 2560x1440 image on a 1440x900 display and claiming you have a 2560x1440 display. The only difference is RGBW has a garbled pixel format that helps clarity a little.
I see. Well I am not doubting the HTC Desire's screen, however comparing my Atrix with pretty much what's considered the best screen on mobile devices the retina display yields pretty good results.
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