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hello there
well i was looking for some nice parts, i would like to upgrade my system in ~2months
i'd like to stay at amd & ati
i was checking phenom II X4 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...enom%20II%20X4
but dunno which of them, 965,970,975 or even a 980? is there big difference between them? and well i guess there is a huge difference between them & my actual x4 9950

as for gpu, maybe 5000/6000 series? i would like to buy not very expensive gpu, maybe max 80-100€, which do you recommend with a good price/performance ratio?

and of course i will have to change my mobo, but i have absolutely no idea about motherboards, i know i need a mobo with am3 socket, but thats all..

as for power supply, i can get corsair tx650w, so i guess it's ok

well the lower price, the better
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in about 3 months bulldozer will be out (well, if amd actually stick to their schedule for once), if you think your current setup can last you till then, i guess you should wait. if bulldozer does well vs intel, get that, if not, get a amd x6 instead, they will be pretty cheap by the time bulldozer comes out, that's if you insist on staying with the red team.

as for gpu, depends on budget, 6850, 6870 are not bad for their price. 6950 and 6970 a bit more expensive but can play pretty much anything at the moment.
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if you wana stay amd then there is no other choice then a phenom 2

the i3 2100 is in alot of peoples view a better bang for your buck vs phenom BUT the 940+ models are all great and easily overclockable

nice part about amd is also the duel cores can be quad if unlocked

id say just get whatever processor of the phenom 940+ you can afford and you cant go wrong. the dif between them is starting clocks but all Black edition CPU can overclock to higher ghz so its not much of a dif tbh

as for a mobo i wouldnt go overboard but look for any board that supports what your looking for exactly. for example your current ram isnt good so if you do not plan on upg your ram then you need an AMD3 board with DDR2. id recommend getting new ram for a ddr3 board that supports sata 3 and has the proper pci slots spacing for say a wireless card/sound card and your gpu if it happens to take up multiple slots, and make sure the socket is proper wattage. you can see what the CPU you purchase uses in the specs along with the boards supported wattage in its specs as well. if the watts are over what the cpu requires your fine.

gpu i dont know the exchange rates but something like a 5770 or 460 768mb are going to be top notch in that price range
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isnt bulldozer an eightcore? it would be useless for me i guess
well not for rendering, but i'm not rendering that often
quadcore is enough for me, 980 is like 160€ in slovak eshop, and 970 is 130€
thats 30€ difference, does 200MHz worth it?

@eosgreen you are right, i should upgrade my ram too
i will pick a DDR3 ram, 4GB, hopefuly under 50$

is there any chance to find me a compatibile motherboard which supports am3 & ddr3 for a pretty low price? also it should allow overclocking, i saw somewhere that some motherboards dont allow it

hmm and still havent decided about gpu
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get am3+ board for future upgrade, check out 6790 nice card only 130 canadian, get 955 and overclock
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isnt bulldozer an eightcore? it would be useless for me i guess
well not for rendering, but i'm not rendering that often
quadcore is enough for me, 980 is like 160€ in slovak eshop, and 970 is 130€
thats 30€ difference, does 200MHz worth it?

@eosgreen you are right, i should upgrade my ram too
i will pick a DDR3 ram, 4GB, hopefuly under 50$

is there any chance to find me a compatibile motherboard which supports am3 & ddr3 for a pretty low price? also it should allow overclocking, i saw somewhere that some motherboards dont allow it

hmm and still havent decided about gpu
bulldozer will have 4 cores as well, but i'm guessing that's towards the lower end desktop chips, perhaps with a lower stock core clock as well, but i'm not entirely sure.

but if you wanna stick with phenom 2s, then a 965 or 970 will do nicely. 980 is not worth that extra 30 euros.

as for motherboard, i wouldn't recommend to cheap out on it, specially if you plan to overclock. agree with skyline, might as well get a am3+ board, so if you wish to upgrade to bulldozer in the future, you won't have to change motherboard. here are a few choices at reasonable price [1] [2] [3].

as for gpu, a 5770 1gb is about the same as a 4850 1gb. so coming from a 0.5gb 4850, you probably won't see much of a difference, only major benefit is that 5770 has dx11, definitely pick up something in the 58xx/68xx/69xx series. put it in a rough perspective, a 5850 is about the same as a 6870, and a 5870 is about the same as a 6950. if you want to game at decent frames at 1080p with a budget in mind, you should at least get a 6850, not a 5770. 6950 get's my vote though.
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bulldozer will have 4 cores as well, but i'm guessing that's towards the lower end desktop chips, perhaps with a lower stock core clock as well, but i'm not entirely sure.

but if you wanna stick with phenom 2s, then a 965 or 970 will do nicely. 980 is not worth that extra 30 euros.

as for motherboard, i wouldn't recommend to cheap out on it, specially if you plan to overclock. agree with skyline, might as well get a am3+ board, so if you wish to upgrade to bulldozer in the future, you won't have to change motherboard. here are a few choices at reasonable price [1] [2] [3].

as for gpu, a 5770 1gb is about the same as a 4850 1gb. so coming from a 0.5gb 4850, you probably won't see much of a difference, only major benefit is that 5770 has dx11, definitely pick up something in the 58xx/68xx/69xx series. put it in a rough perspective, a 5850 is about the same as a 6870, and a 5870 is about the same as a 6950. if you want to game at decent frames at 1080p with a budget in mind, you should at least get a 6850, not a 5770. 6950 get's my vote though.
well 970 looks fine, guess its my choice

as for motherboards you showed me, i like the second one (especially for the price ) so it looks fine too
one question, can i use my old HDD? i guess its sata II, but not sure, i have to check it when i'm at home


gpu - found this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127566
what do you think? is it worth those 180$?

also ram, http://www.alza.sk/en/zeppelin-4gb-k...hz-d148254.htm
i hope it's enough... or isn't it?
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well 970 looks fine, guess its my choice

as for motherboards you showed me, i like the second one (especially for the price ) so it looks fine too
one question, can i use my old HDD? i guess its sata II, but not sure, i have to check it when i'm at home


gpu - found this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127566
what do you think? is it worth those 180$?

also ram, http://www.alza.sk/en/zeppelin-4gb-k...hz-d148254.htm
i hope it's enough... or isn't it?
one thing about the 2nd motherboard you should note though, although it has 3 pcie slots, you can only have 2 way sli or 2 way crossfire, both at x8 bandwith, that's a limitation of the board.

the ram, 2x2gb should be enough for most people. but i would advice you against getting 1333mhz rams, go for 1600mhz kits, they are only about 10euros more but you get a pretty noticeable boost in performance, which i think it's definitely worth it.

the gpu you found is pretty good actually, here's a review of it. in the review, you can more or less see how other cards compare to it as well. but bear in mind, at this price point, you can actually get a 6870, for maybe a few dollars more, and here's a review on the 6870.
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one thing about the 2nd motherboard you should note though, although it has 3 pcie slots, you can only have 2 way sli or 2 way crossfire, both at x8 bandwith, that's a limitation of the board.

the ram, 2x2gb should be enough for most people. but i would advice you against getting 1333mhz rams, go for 1600mhz kits, they are only about 10euros more but you get a pretty noticeable boost in performance, which i think it's definitely worth it.

the gpu you found is pretty good actually, here's a review of it. in the review, you can more or less see how other cards compare to it as well. but bear in mind, at this price point, you can actually get a 6870, for maybe a few dollars more, and here's a review on the 6870.
2 way sli or 2 way crossfire means max 2 plugged graphic cards?

well first thing to upgrade is gpu, im really thinking about that 6870, but first i need to get some money

i will wait with cpu i guess, to see that bulldozer quadcore, and maybe i will buy it instead of 970, of course depends on price
but then i will have to choose another mobo, coz that one doesnt support am3+ i guess

ram- i will check some 1600mhz kits, if you say so
diky


edit: decided for this one http://www.alza.sk/sapphire-hd-6870-d226023.htm
Edited by Amhro - 6/14/11 at 12:53pm
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2 way sli or 2 way crossfire means max 2 plugged graphic cards?

well first thing to upgrade is gpu, im really thinking about that 6870, but first i need to get some money

i will wait with cpu i guess, to see that bulldozer quadcore, and maybe i will buy it instead of 970, of course depends on price
but then i will have to choose another mobo, coz that one doesnt support am3+ i guess

ram- i will check some 1600mhz kits, if you say so
diky


edit: decided for this one http://www.alza.sk/sapphire-hd-6870-d226023.htm
all 3 mobos i posted supports am3+, so you're covered there if you have bulldozer in mind

and yes, about 2 way sli/crossfire, you were correct.

if budget is a problem right now for you, i would honestly recommend you save your money and upgrade a little bit later.

if you upgrade gpu only, it is highly possible that your cpu at 2.6ghz will bottleneck your gpu performance, unless you overclock it to say...at least 3ghz. so if you buy the 6870 now, your system will not utilise the gpu's full potential, making it somewhat money wasted not to mention by the time you have the money to upgrade your mobo, cpu and ram, a 6950 may be the same price as a 6870 right now

also when you decide to upgrade mobo, cpu or ram, you will have to upgrade all 3 at the same time, which can be a lot of money at once...

something to think about i guess
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