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Anand has 1866 mhz RAM on theirs, its quite a bit faster.
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Are you kidding me? It beats the hell out of Sandy Bridge's gpu. It seems to be memory bandwidth constrained according to anandtech. Anyway, this is a win for AMD, as the kind of notebooks these will ship in gpu and power usage are more important that raw cpu speed. I can't wait to see where Fusion ends up going.
Did you forget that SB notebooks also ship with AMD and Nvidia GPUs?

Even a low-end GPU like the GT 540m is a match for this plus you get Nvidia optimus technology and a superior CPU to boot.

Lets not forget Sandy Bridges AVX extension which many encoding/transcoding applications support.
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As far as i know, all reviews were done with 1333mhz ram, while mobile llano supports 1600(desktop goes up to 1866). I can pretty much guaranty the low performance of the GPU is due to low ram speed.

Reviews with 1600/1866 mhz ram will be coming after the 30th(full NDA lift).
DDR3 1866 is expensive

Also, most laptops comes with DDR3 1333, so in other words any review that use anything above DDR3 1333 is going to be useless for most people.

I think they should use DDR3 1600MHz for desktop and 1333MHz for laptops because those are standards these days.
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AMD's going to be playing catchup for quite a while. Ivy Bridge laptops come out in like 8 months, and those will destroy BD cores and probably have 30% better graphics than Intel HD 3000.
How do you know a die shrink of SB with "30% better" graphics will be better than the Trinity APU with BD cores?

Even if it is 30% better than the HD3000,it's still awful intel graphics. The Llano beat the HD3000 by over 40%.

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Did you forget that SB notebooks also ship with AMD and Nvidia GPUs?

Even a low-end GPU like the GT 540m is a match for this plus you get Nvidia optimus technology and a superior CPU to boot.

Lets not forget Sandy Bridges AVX extension which many encoding/transcoding applications support.
Did you not forget that the SB notebooks with a discrete graphics card cost alot more and also have a awful battery life?
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DDR3 1866 is expensive

Also, most laptops comes with DDR3 1333, so in other words any review that use anything above DDR3 1333 is going to be useless for most people.

I think they should use DDR3 1600MHz for desktop and 1333MHz for laptops because those are standards these days.
1866 is only expensive because there aren't any cpus that natively support it, That will change in a few months when llano and zambezi are shipping full-steam. most laptops use 1333 for the same reason, IIRC both intel and amd platforms top out at 1333mhz for the mainstream mobile chips.
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post #26 of 30
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How do you know a die shrink of SB with "30% better" graphics will be better than the Trinity APU with BD cores?

Even if it is 30% better than the HD3000,it's still awful intel graphics. The Llano beat the HD3000 by over 40%.
Let alone, the natural game support behind AMD. Expect only popular, massive corporation games to be the only things that run well on the Intel GPU. I really don't care if Intel was 10% faster then Llano, I want to be able to play all games, even the classics, well.

Watch, throw in Svencoop and the Intel HD3000 will have troubles gaming 1024x768 on OpenGL. Might not even be able to run it whenever a sprit loads up on the screen. Llano on the other hand, watch it do native res at constant 60+fps.
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I was right.

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Did you forget that SB notebooks also ship with AMD and Nvidia GPUs?

Even a low-end GPU like the GT 540m is a match for this plus you get Nvidia optimus technology and a superior CPU to boot.

Lets not forget Sandy Bridges AVX extension which many encoding/transcoding applications support.
I'm willing to bet a HD5570m and Core i3m would be more expensive than one of these, and would use more power. (Optimus just throws it back to the IGP when you don't, which really defeats the purpose...Good RAM on this would be better, considering it all fits in that 35w TDP max)

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Let alone, the natural game support behind AMD. Expect only popular, massive corporation games to be the only things that run well on the Intel GPU. I really don't care if Intel was 10% faster then Llano, I want to be able to play all games, even the classics, well.

Watch, throw in Svencoop and the Intel HD3000 will have troubles gaming 1024x768 on OpenGL. Might not even be able to run it whenever a sprit loads up on the screen. Llano on the other hand, watch it do native res at constant 60+fps.
Exactly, I have to disable hardware mouse acceleration on the i5 661s at my school to get it to run Minecraft, people say ATI drivers are horrible...They've obviously never used an Intel IGP.
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If you're a travelling man these are most definitely a strong consideration! A couple years ago I never thought I'd even look at a mobile AMD system. These sure change my mind, and yes, I read the whole article.
     
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Did you forget that SB notebooks also ship with AMD and Nvidia GPUs?

Even a low-end GPU like the GT 540m is a match for this plus you get Nvidia optimus technology and a superior CPU to boot.

Lets not forget Sandy Bridges AVX extension which many encoding/transcoding applications support.
You can dislike AMD all you want, but give respect where it's due. Fusion is delicous.

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Did you not forget that the SB notebooks with a discrete graphics card cost alot more and also have a awful battery life?
Yeah, that 10w idle and 43w load for a friggen quad is just amazing.

AMD is finally able to compete in the mobile realm. Maybe it's time to retire my Thinkpad T61...I have my fingers crossed that Lenovo at least makes a Thinkpad Edge with AMD Fusion if I can't get my traditional Thinkpad with it.
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I'm pretty sure that page wasn't there when i read the article last midnight, though perhaps that's because i just can't remember.
In either case I'm glad the we know the ram was the issue, too bad 1866 didn't fully resolve it.
Oh well, guess we are gonna have to just get to overclockin' like madmen and start rocking 1ghz core speeds and 2200mhz ddr3 kits
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