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Poll Results: Should I keep the GTX590's or sell them and get 6990's

 
  • 55% (35)
    Keep 590's
  • 44% (28)
    Sell 590's
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post #51 of 61
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Originally Posted by AMC View Post
Here's one:

http://www.overclock.net/hardware-ne...-analyzed.html

and here is another:

http://www.overclock.net/general-pro...g-gtx590s.html.

Easy to understand. Grats goes to the original OP.
Thanks for the Grats....Christmas mornin twins, my 7 y/o old son was not all to happy that his sisters messed up his Christmas morning...LOL

Thank you for the links! They were good reads and had good info in them. I knew about the cards catching on fire, but I had not heard how bad the power management was. This is a major negative in my book.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sLowEnd View Post
Nvidia denied rumors of a revision.
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...designs-nvidia

Rumors originally suggested a revision in June. However, we are halfway through the month with zero indication of that holding true.
http://www.techpowerup.com/145836/NV...90-Design.html
Thanks for the links. Odd that nVidia has no plans to release a rev 2 of the PCB to fix the shortcomings.

All, does anyone have anything else to contribute? So far, I am leaning towards selling them off.
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From personal experiance I would say ditch the 590s and grab 580s or 6970s instead. I'm not a huge fan of dual GPUs but if you must, then get 6990s and if you watercool it should all be alright (less noise and lower temps).
    
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And how many GTX 590s have failed?

Also how many benchmarks have the 590 actually trumped the 6990s due to a polished driver experience?

Your claim was the card was a fail, and he was pointing out your basis of experience is a card, that is low end of AMDs 69xx. It was a valid point, because a single 590 would destroy your 6950 yet you claim its a fail card.

You claim it fails due to high failure rate? I have yet to see more than Raziel's card fail. You have a source for this information?

You claim the VRMs are weak? I am sorry, can you also point to a source where these VRMs are consistently, or even failing period at stock? I am sure one or two cards failing due to proper mishandling is inevitable AND that I am sure one or two cards will actually be defective. So far, I have only seen 5 dead 590s (6 included Raziel's which died at "stock" non VRM blown.) That's it. Since the months they have released.

Less VRAM is true, but 1.5GB is good enough for 95% of my games at 5760x1080, and it turns out the other 5% where I could use more, I don't play that much, OR, its a bit glitchy, OR, I prefer to a single monitor over it because its a FPS.

As far as the OP is concerned, he seems dedicating to overclocking the card. If he wants a 24/7 overclock which he won't need for dual anything, then he should not even keep the 590s. To me the OP sounds like he is just wanting to get rid of the cards, and nothing we say can change that for him. I personally think the GTX 590 (once its setup in SLi) would be the easier setup, as nVidia's drivers are usually very reliable.

If he is looking for a challenge, then he can bench and overclock the GTX 590. I had a 31% overclock over stock EVGA clocks, and a 34% overclock compared to the ASUS card. 830 MHz on a GTX 590 is no small feat and it was not easy, but it was entirely doable. Still though, its not something I would leave for every day use, why would you, you have 4 GPUs either way.

TIN is currently working on 1.3GHz on his monster frakenstein GTX 590.
I'm not apposed to keeping the cards if they are reliable. Please bear in mind that I have spent the last 7 months RMA'ing one 5970 after another, I merely want to get back to having fun OC'ing and benching again....as well as turning the eye candy back up to where I had it. It has now been so long since I have gamed with the high settings that I've forgotten what they looked like. I just don't want to get myself into the same situation again with ASUS where I am RMAing the 590's all of the time too.

Thanks so much for your input, I have added it to my pros/cons list.

Edit: Do you have any links to this statement/retort?
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post #54 of 61
Keep them, even without overclocking, two will be extremely fast.
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Originally Posted by Canis-X View Post
I'm not apposed to keeping the cards if they are reliable. Please bear in mind that I have spent the last 7 months RMA'ing one 5970 after another, I merely want to get back to having fun OC'ing and benching again....as well as turning the eye candy back up to where I had it. It has now been so long since I have gamed with the high settings that I've forgotten what they looked like. I just don't want to get myself into the same situation again with ASUS where I am RMAing the 590's all of the time too.

Thanks so much for your input, I have added it to my pros/cons list.

Edit: Do you have any links to this statement/retort?
Guru3D came to mind immediately. Keep in mind though, the 590 vs 6990 results were done with immature drivers on both sides of the fence. They also change colors on which card is displayed in the charts which is (I think) a little misleading, so keep an eye on it.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-590-review/1

TechpowerUp is another good one that does many good comparisons, and if you go by some of the data, it looks like the GTX 590 wins at some resolutions and then also loses at some resolutions to the 6990. Also depended on the games too.

Something to note: W1zzard blew up his ASUS GTX 590. He also gave it low marks. He also talked quite a bit of trash in the original conclusion and had the Cons spell out "EPIC FAIL" with the first letter in each sentence about the GTX 590. He never acknowledged that giving it 1.205v, which is the absolutely max with a GTX 580 voltages, was the reason it died.

The results benchmark wise are very competitive with a 6990 so I am not sure why the 6990 got such a high scores despite keeping up with the 6990 at almost every turn. SO keep that all in mind when reading his comments in the conclusion, they were pretty damn biased, but like I said the benchmark scores speak for themselves. I personally believe his fubar and Sweclockers blowing their card up and posting on Youtube account for 99.9% of everyone thinking these cards were crap.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/A...GTX_590/1.html

Quote:
Thanks for the links. Odd that nVidia has no plans to release a rev 2 of the PCB to fix the shortcomings.
You can look at it for two fold, either there is no short coming and it was grossly exaggerated, or they are refusing to publicly admit such and issue and are just replacing the troubled cards they come across. If they are refusing to admit such a mistake, then where are all the burnt cards?

Secondly, there were 2 original mistakes, one was a huge mistake by ASUS, and that was to leave the voltage unlocked to 1.205v. At most it should have been 1.05v (which is want is in the EVGA BIOS). Also if I understand correctly the other mistake was from nVidia and the initial drivers did not have OCP Limit enabled which is just dumb. Now, once you go past a certain thresh hold, the card downclocks to prevent damage from occuring. The downclock is huge, nearly 20% from stock down, and jumping the voltages down to idle. Not really a big deal when you have 4 GPUs, but it can suck for bench marking 3DMark 11. This is only activated though by a black list that is embedded in the drivers somewhere. In otherwords you may circumvent the powerdraw limitation by utilizing a game or program that doesn't have one of these profiles, then you are just limited to the hardware OCP protection which kicked on for me around 830 MHz @ 1.035v.

The only drivers you can overclock with overvolting to your hearts content is the 267.84/85 drivers. As of now, if you want the latest performance enhancing drivers 275.33, you have to flash the bios to raise the minimum voltage, which even that is maxed by drivers to 0.963v it will allow for raising. Its not much its something. It will get you to about 700~725Mhz, 680 MHz if you are unlucky.
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keep them and enjoy
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And how many GTX 590s have failed?

Also how many benchmarks have the 590 actually trumped the 6990s due to a polished driver experience?

Your claim was the card was a fail, and he was pointing out your basis of experience is a card, that is low end of AMDs 69xx. It was a valid point, because a single 590 would destroy your 6950 yet you claim its a fail card.

You claim it fails due to high failure rate? I have yet to see more than Raziel's card fail. You have a source for this information?

You claim the VRMs are weak? I am sorry, can you also point to a source where these VRMs are consistently, or even failing period at stock? I am sure one or two cards failing due to proper mishandling is inevitable AND that I am sure one or two cards will actually be defective. So far, I have only seen 5 dead 590s (6 included Raziel's which died at "stock" non VRM blown.) That's it. Since the months they have released.

Less VRAM is true, but 1.5GB is good enough for 95% of my games at 5760x1080, and it turns out the other 5% where I could use more, I don't play that much, OR, its a bit glitchy, OR, I prefer to a single monitor over it because its a FPS.

As far as the OP is concerned, he seems dedicating to overclocking the card. If he wants a 24/7 overclock which he won't need for dual anything, then he should not even keep the 590s. To me the OP sounds like he is just wanting to get rid of the cards, and nothing we say can change that for him. I personally think the GTX 590 (once its setup in SLi) would be the easier setup, as nVidia's drivers are usually very reliable.

If he is looking for a challenge, then he can bench and overclock the GTX 590. I had a 31% overclock over stock EVGA clocks, and a 34% overclock compared to the ASUS card. 830 MHz on a GTX 590 is no small feat and it was not easy, but it was entirely doable. Still though, its not something I would leave for every day use, why would you, you have 4 GPUs either way.

TIN is currently working on 1.3GHz on his monster frakenstein GTX 590.
Way to go smartie.

What on earth makes you think my statement was about performance? My 6950 plays everything I want it to play, so what's the problem? I was talking about the general quality of a GTX 590; not the performance.

You claim the GTX 590 trumps the 6990? We both know that's not true and they both win and lose. I'm not trying to sound like a douche here, but you got to be extremely narrow-minded if you think the 570 and 590 VRMS are "fine".

Yes, we've all heard it before, drivers. Guess what? I've had driver issues with my Nvidia card and none with my 6950. AMD driver issues are most of the time user's fault and I'm 100% certain that I can provide you with a bunch of links proving how Nvidia drivers aren't "free of fault". Not even close.

As of recent times I've seen very few people experiencing driver issues with AMD. To me this is an arguement of the past.

Problem with people is that they always think opinions are negative if they don't agree with them. I'm not saying the 590 is a bad card, I'm saying the 6990 from my point of view is slightly better.
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Way to go smartie.

What on earth makes you think my statement was about performance? My 6950 plays everything I want it to play, so what's the problem? I was talking about the general quality of a GTX 590; not the performance.
Actually, its hard to tell what you are talking about.

Original Quote.

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I'd sell them if I were you. 590 is not much of a card.
Then you go on to say in your post:
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I'm not saying the 590 is a bad card
So what is it, is it a lame card? Is it under performing card? Is it a poorly made card? If its poorly made, can you explain how, and show proof? You also have no experience with either card do you?

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You claim the GTX 590 trumps the 6990? We both know that's not true and they both win and lose. I'm not trying to sound like a douche here, but you got to be extremely narrow-minded if you think the 570 and 590 VRMS are "fine".
My point was not to say the 590 is a superior card, but to point out its far from worthless.

Let me explain, since you value the 6990 as a "good" card, then you must logically think the performance is "good". If something that does better in some tests is a "stronger" card, then it is a stronger card than the 6990. If a card is also a little weaker than the 6990 in some tests "its a little less than good" and I am sure somewhere the GTX 590 fits in there at times being a little better than the 6990 and a little weaker than the 6990.

Therefore, the GTX 590 must be a little better and also a little worse than the 6990. If the 6990 is the fastest card in the world overall, then there are times when the GTX 590 is faster, and obviously times it is slower.

Therefore, that would put a GTX 590 in a tie, or even more realistic comparisons sake, second place overall (out of all video cards in the world.)

This means to you, the second most powerful card on the world is:
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590 is not much of a card.
Hmmm.

The 570 VRMs are fine, as long as you don't go above 1.10v. I believe thats the general consesus on those. The 590 is not using the same VRMs or even the same number of VRMs. Perhaps you should learn about the differences?

Narrow-minded? Insulting now? I will let it go, and tell you I gather all my observations from looking at all of our Owner's Club OCN every single day, and there have not been any reports of any blowing up or any breaking. I also check EVGA's threads every other day, and I also head over KingPinCooling to see what TiN is modding on his 590s. I have yet to see the massive grave yards of 590s everywhere, or more than the failing 6.

Again, what is your experience in the field? Do you own either card? Do you design the hardware for GPU vendors? Perhaps an expert in power delivery systems on integrated designs? I would love to know and read all your evidence that they are faulty so I can demand a refund?

ARE THE VRMS IN SMALL SUPPLY AND A LITTLE WEAKER THAN THE ENTHUSIAST COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE? Then, yes, I would agree with that, as we all know, a strong robust voltage regulation with ample power delivery make for stable and high overclocks, provided there is plenty of cooling. Is it more than enough for stock?

As it stands, they are working just fine, and there is no proof anywhere that they are not, unless you want to share some. What you are repeating is the same crap, I have heard, and attempted to correct every user that speaks about how "worthless" these cards are.

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Yes, we've all heard it before, drivers. Guess what? I've had driver issues with my Nvidia card and none with my 6950. AMD driver issues are most of the time user's fault and I'm 100% certain that I can provide you with a bunch of links proving how Nvidia drivers aren't "free of fault". Not even close.
I am talking from experience, I would just quote ATI's user forums, but it was wiped in the last six months, most of the 57xx/58xx/5970 user data/posts were obliterated to nothing ness.

The 68xx/69xx launch has been way smoother for you guys, there were thousands of us everday on the forums desperate for a fix for our 5870s, 5850s and those that had it worst were the 5970s.

Just because you didn't experience it, doesn't mean that for the better half of a year, our cards were unusable.

I have not had one BSOD since switching from tri-5870s to 580, then 580 SLI, and now 590 SLI.

I have had issues with triple monitor support and nVidia Surround in general, but nothing that is earth shattering such as:
ATIKMDAG.SYS BSOD
ATI Drivers has stopped and recovered.
Grey Screen of Death
Blue Screen of Death
Stable 10.x Catalyst drivers, installing 10.y Catalyst drivers caused BSOD.

The newest driver I was allowed to install was 10.9c, anything newer crashed my system on boot. I eventually decided to sell them after that point.

There are hundreds of users who are "stuck" on 10.x drivers for the same reason I could go no higher than 10.9c. To call their problems, and my previous one as PEBKAC is just insulting and disgraceful, and the general attitude of 68/69xx users is crappy to their 57/58/5970 brethren.

The worst I have to deal with now that my BIOS's have been fixed is my middle monitor having being set to 59 Hz, when its a 120Hz monitor, causing them to desync with the other two monitors and flicker.

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As of recent times I've seen very few people experiencing driver issues with AMD. To me this is an arguement of the past.

Problem with people is that they always think opinions are negative if they don't agree with them. , I'm saying the 6990 from my point of view is slightly better.
Argument from the past? I thought you just said it was user error.... Oh wait, you are on the nice comfy 69xx generation, who cares that their continued support of 58xx / 59xx has been entirely lack luster at best. There are plenty of users who have tons of atypical issues, but many users are still using the older gear and the new drivers suck for them still. It almost looks, in retrospect, there was a design flaw.

I sure hope for your sake, they don't drop your support for your 6950 when the 7xxx generations arrive.

There are users right now that have to deal with 6990 driver crashes, something I have not had driver related issues with, but I have had a vBIOS that needed modding. Its now work top notch again.
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I think the OP made his mind up before he started this flame bait thread honestly. I think he was just looking for validation which is human nature to do so, can't say I blame him.

I was going to say keep the GTX 590's as there is no cost for you to do so. Your getting way better cards then your AMD 5970's which 580's almost match in performance. However if you want validation to selling them for less and then putting in more money to buy two AMD 6990's, so go for it. Though + rep for keeping it unbiased as best as you did while you read/answered these replies.
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On a side note unrelated to the OP I hate how people who have never owned Nvidia cards make claims that are 100% false and parroting what they read from one post while they lick the boots of someone else's statements that coincide with their obviously biased opinion and false claims to even owning an Nvidia card at all.

Notice the flaming all started with one person and followed up quickly by another = two of the biggest AMD fans boys there are on this site. That award goes to them hands down. They even know who they are. Anything that comes out of their mouths is pure horse hockey. Instead of answering the OP, they put down Nvidia as opposed to intelligent discussion with validation of proof.

I also love how RaginCain was challenged with no idea how much RaginCain actually knows about GPU's and his personal modding of BIOS and programming experience. Very laughable posts while they argued with him.

Look for this thread to be closed shortly with deletions to follow by moderator as usual when the same two people usually reply to threads like this while they hate/flame. It's the norm for most of their replies and the outcome to threads.

Before they reply in retaliation and then we'll know who 'they' are, I've owned my own ATI cards since 3DFx when out of business until recently and even have a second AMD rig for my kids currently. I know the issues to both sides quite well. I'll defend both companies because they both have thier strengths and weaknesses. Yes AMD also has weaknesses as much as Nvidia. Surprise? Your not.....you just won't admit it, your biased and your being dishonest to yourselves in denial and when you reply to OP's on OCN.
     
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