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I think comparing the C300 and M4 is like comparing apples to apples.. I'm gonna go with the M4 since its newer, it might not have as fast of a boot up than the C300 but it will be the better overall drive.

Thanks everyone! Gonna order my drive first thing in the morning! I like to sleep on things just in case, especially if someone has a compelling case for me to get the C300 over the M4..
    
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^^ GJ man. I just pulled the trigger on a 256gb m4 for 424$ CAN from Directcanada.ca
Amazing price for the size considering the 240gb Vertex 3 IOPS is 599$ in Canada.
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^^ GJ man. I just pulled the trigger on a 256gb m4 for 424$ CAN from Directcanada.ca
Amazing price for the size considering the 240gb Vertex 3 IOPS is 599$ in Canada.
Awesome! I'm actually gonna pick mine up from there as well!

memoryexpress.com carries your drive and they have this "uber price beat" guarantee.

You should cancel your order and get it through them! With their price beat your 256GB M4 will only cost $410.22 Not a huge difference in price, but its still a better deal

Link to their M4 ($479.99)
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...33418(ME).aspx

and link to their price beat guarantee!
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...)/Default.aspx
    
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I wish memoryexpress carried the 128GB M4
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People are running vertex 3's on the older firmware and not having issues at all.The new firmware was a fail,but a fix should be on short order.
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The M4 is newer and sacrifices read for write. It's entirely up to you which one is the best for you. I'd personally just go for the cheapest.
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I had a Vertex 2E 120GB SSD and sold it on eBay when pre-orders for the Vertex 3 120GB SSDs were on. A few weeks later I got the Vertex 3 SSD and was excited to try it. I connected it alongside my HDD, Secure Erased it and installed Windows 7 on it. Once the whole installation process was done, I was very happy with its performance.

A week after this, I turn on my computer and all of a sudden the SSD isn't being detected and I get the "No boot device available" error. I reset the computer and voila, this time it was detected and I booted. I thought the error was isolated so I turned off the computer and turned it back on. Guess what?
The error came up again. I spent about 12 hours that day trying to diagnose what could be the cause of this problem. I literally tried everything including tweaking BIOS settings, leaving the SSD connected by itself, trying different SATA cables (all SATA-6Gbps rated cables supplied with my motherboard), etc, etc. I managed to get it working as long as ALL options in the Extreme Tweaker section of my BIOS (for overclocking) were set to Auto. Setting for example the CPU Ratio to 16.0x (stock for my CPU so no overclocking) instead of Auto caused the problem to return. I was just about ready to get an RMA going but I tried one more thing - I Secure Erased it with OCZ Toolbox and started fresh. This seemed to fix the problem.

Two weeks after this - problem came back, again out of nowhere (very randomly). I knew the solution - Secure Erase and start fresh. Problem was gone. Two weeks after that...you guessed it...the problem returned for a third time!
I switched on my computer in the morning, checked my e-mail, switched it off, went out, returned home, switched it on and there it was, "No boot device available".

Lucky for me this third time, I checked the OCZ SandForce forum and there was a new firmware update announced, version 2.06. I immediately flashed to this new version and to my surprise (and joy), it booted properly without me having to Secure Erase once again. All was good - OCZ had fixed it.

Two days later (haha, this is getting old) - I'm using my computer normally and out of nowhere, suddenly EVERYTHING becomes totally unresponsive (hang/freeze). The only thing responsive is the mouse pointer movement. I didn't know what to do (couldn't really do anything) so I reset the computer. Guess what appeared?
"No boot device available". Resetting again and again led to the same error so I tried turning off my computer and turning it back on. When I did this, it worked!
Of course, this hanging/freezing now happened once a day (two of the times I actually got a BSOD, which did not create a minidump file - the reason for this was because the SSD was "no longer there" so it couldn't physically create the minidump file, not even to my HDD).

Naturally I visited the OCZ SandForce forum and found A LOT of the same reports. Here started the "unpaid/unrewarded OCZ beta testing saga". Barraged with massive procedure after massive procedure, OCZ asked us many users to do this, do that, try this, try that, do it in this order, now in this order, then in this order, etc, etc, etc. Needless to say I spent a whole week with many hours per day installing Windows from fresh about six times. Nothing worked and not one user reported the problem being fixed. Since some didn't have problems with version 2.02 firmware, it was dubbed the "2.06 firmware BSOD issue".

Overwhelmed with reports, OCZ and SandForce apparently worked overtime to get it sorted. To everyone's disappointment, both admitted to not actually being able to reproduce our problems on their test systems!!
They were convinced that it was us to blame, by installing Windows incorrectly, by configuring our BIOS incorrectly, etc, etc. I don't have to tell you how unpopular this made the OCZ forum support team and to this day, they keep saying that only 1% to 2% of users have problems and that SandForce cannot reproduce the problems reported. Some have RMA'ed (myself included - due to receive my replacement tomorrow or the next), some have asked for a full refund but overall, we remain with the problems. All OCZ 3-series SSDs are reported to have these issues - Agility 3, Vertex 3 and Vertex 3 Max IOPS. Corsair have also recalled their Force 3 SSDs due to very similar reports but OCZ insist that because they use non-reference designs, that they do not need to recall. The latest update is that they're now testing firmware version 2.08, which should fix some things but not all.

Conclusion: We remain to see what is done via RMA'ing and the upcoming 2.08 firmware update. For now some opt to remain beta testers and some opt to just wait it out. As for me?
If my RMA replacement and upcoming 2.08 firmware update does nothing, this is going back to OCZ for a full refund. I am ashamed to have given up my Vertex 2E SSD for this unstable piece of crap.
Edited by Gib007 - 6/14/11 at 2:55pm
    
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Awesome! I'm actually gonna pick mine up from there as well!

memoryexpress.com carries your drive and they have this "uber price beat" guarantee.

You should cancel your order and get it through them! With their price beat your 256GB M4 will only cost $410.22 Not a huge difference in price, but its still a better deal

Link to their M4 ($479.99)
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...33418(ME).aspx

and link to their price beat guarantee!
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Product...)/Default.aspx
lol thanks. I actually pricematch on NCIX with everything. I ordered some mx-4 and a kingston ultimate g2 16gb (the new usb 3.0 one), and a 8gb corsair flash drive to backup my new alienware m11x I ordered for school. Going to stick with the NCIX order, but next time I make a big purchase I might consider mem express.


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Oh my god That is the most horrific customer service experience I've ever seen for the most expensive SSD on the market. A refund probably sounds better than getting another vertex 3. I can't stand having to troubleshoot for hours on end and NOT finding a solution. Luckily the latest build went without a hitch. I feel for you man
Edited by CanadianReaper7 - 6/14/11 at 3:59pm
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Oh my god That is the most horrific customer service experience I've ever seen for the most expensive SSD on the market. A refund probably sounds better than getting another vertex 3. I can't stand having to troubleshoot for hours on end and NOT finding a solution. Luckily the latest build went without a hitch. I feel for you man
Thanks man - it is indeed very frustrating. What's more frustrating is their near-ignorance of the issue and persistence in us many users with problems beta testing for them. Let's see what comes of it. I'd honestly be VERY happy with a Vertex 3 SSD that works as intended (as my Vertex 2E SSD did!!) - the performance is staggering. For that alone I will wait to receive my RMA replacement and check out whatever firmware update they come up with soon. Beyond that, I will get my money back and most probably get an Intel 510 SSD.
    
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Here is another recommendation for Crucial m4. My friend got the 256GB version for 33% less price than Vertex 3 (400$ vs 600$). The performance is amazing (470MB read and 275MB write on incompressible data)! And it has been rock solid for last 3 weeks!

So, definitely go for m4 instead of v3!
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