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How many Watts can it dissipate?
Well, some shops report up to 130 watts with the turbo module fan (1000rpm). What gpu are you going to dissipate?
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I just did a review of that case which will be on Overclockers, hopefully soon.

The case has a lot of potential, but a few great problems. The HD holder, for example, blocks the inflow from your front fans. If you leave it off you will get the air input and still have room for 2 HD's. But you won't get that pivot that can act as a mid-case fan. Worse, the front intake grills are just that -- two grills. Constrictive grills. No chance for filters. That and if you want to go with add-on filters, taking off the front face requires taking out your DVD.

If you use your HD cage you will need your top and bottom fans to be intakes. Your side panel too.

If I was going to use that case, I'd have to mod it.

Well I will only be having a 2TB HDD and a 120GB SSD, I plan on taking that middle rack out to improve airflow. So if I do not use my HD cage I would make my front, side, and top intake and my rear exhaust? What fans do you suggest for a good intake and exhaust option? I don't care about noise, I want awesome airflow thumb.gif
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Read the first post, not going to sift through the hundreds of pages to see if I can find an answer. So i will just ask here.

Im curious if I have an idiotic thought about airflow in my case. Im also thinking of the tunnel affect that you mentioned and here is where I am at.

airflow.jpg

My question is, if I make a plate to cover where the grey drawing is (excuse my amazing paint skills tongue.gif) to create a "tunnel" do you think that will improve my air flow and actually give a nice working model? I have a 140mm Aerocool shark pulling from the front, a 120 mm nzxt stock fan pulling from the side, a 120mm aerocool shark pulling from a bottom, 2 200 mm nzxt fans up top as exhaust and another 120 as exhaust in the rear.

I can also add another 120 for a configuration like this.

DSC00550.jpg

Just looking for advice on how to get my temps down a little bit. They arent high but Id like them a little lower.

Also curious about covering the 1st intake and removing the rear fan. Would that help me with the way I have everything set up?
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How many Watts can it dissipate?
Well, some shops report up to 130 watts with the turbo module fan (1000rpm). What gpu are you going to dissipate?

Dunno yet. I'll be putting a 500 rpm fan on it if I go that route.

 

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I just did a review of that case which will be on Overclockers, hopefully soon.

The case has a lot of potential, but a few great problems. The HD holder, for example, blocks the inflow from your front fans. If you leave it off you will get the air input and still have room for 2 HD's. But you won't get that pivot that can act as a mid-case fan. Worse, the front intake grills are just that -- two grills. Constrictive grills. No chance for filters. That and if you want to go with add-on filters, taking off the front face requires taking out your DVD.

If you use your HD cage you will need your top and bottom fans to be intakes. Your side panel too.

If I was going to use that case, I'd have to mod it.

Well I will only be having a 2TB HDD and a 120GB SSD, I plan on taking that middle rack out to improve airflow. So if I do not use my HD cage I would make my front, side, and top intake and my rear exhaust? What fans do you suggest for a good intake and exhaust option? I don't care about noise, I want awesome airflow thumb.gif

Good exhaust option: buy a nibbler and remove the rear grill. No fan.

Intake: wait for the case to come, decide if you want 1x120mm, 2x120mm or 140mm.

Bottom intake: I need to measure to see if a 140mm/120mm fan would fit (140mm fan with 120mm screw holes).

Top intake: pick a 140mm fan. A TY-140 will do, but so will a KM2 PWM. Hook them and the cpu heatsink fans to a PWM splitter, so your ventilation will adjust to the cpu's need.

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Read the first post, not going to sift through the hundreds of pages to see if I can find an answer. So i will just ask here.

Im curious if I have an idiotic thought about airflow in my case. Im also thinking of the tunnel affect that you mentioned and here is where I am at.

airflow.jpg

My question is, if I make a plate to cover where the grey drawing is (excuse my amazing paint skills tongue.gif) to create a "tunnel" do you think that will improve my air flow and actually give a nice working model? I have a 140mm Aerocool shark pulling from the front, a 120 mm nzxt stock fan pulling from the side, a 120mm aerocool shark pulling from a bottom, 2 200 mm nzxt fans up top as exhaust and another 120 as exhaust in the rear.

I can also add another 120 for a configuration like this.

DSC00550.jpg

Just looking for advice on how to get my temps down a little bit. They arent high but Id like them a little lower.

Also curious about covering the 1st intake and removing the rear fan. Would that help me with the way I have everything set up?

Wind tunnel would be a fan in the top 3 slots of your 5.25 bay running straight to the cpu heatsink. Or the forward top intake fan running a wind tunnel back through your cpu heatsink.

 

That grey box is not what we have in mind when we talk of wind tunnel effect.

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Hmm. You make it sound worth doing. I found myself drawn to this.

Personally, if you're just going to slap a fan on it anyways, I would get the Twin Turbo 2. But, that's just me. The fans on the S1 are so spread out for all that passiveness, you could get more surface area out of a heatsink designed for fans.
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Hmm. You make it sound worth doing. I found myself drawn to this.

Personally, if you're just going to slap a fan on it anyways, I would get the Twin Turbo 2. But, that's just me. The fans on the S1 are so spread out for all that passiveness, you could get more surface area out of a heatsink designed for fans.


Good point. Something to think about. I like the idea of a larger fin array so you can use a 120mm fan with low low low rpm's. Almost silent.

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Dunno yet. I'll be putting a 500 rpm fan on it if I go that route.

Good exhaust option: buy a nibbler and remove the rear grill. No fan.
Intake: wait for the case to come, decide if you want 1x120mm, 2x120mm or 140mm.
Bottom intake: I need to measure to see if a 140mm/120mm fan would fit (140mm fan with 120mm screw holes).
Top intake: pick a 140mm fan. A TY-140 will do, but so will a KM2 PWM. Hook them and the cpu heatsink fans to a PWM splitter, so your ventilation will adjust to the cpu's need.

For a the front intake on the 410 Phantom it says only a single 140mm or 2 120mm will fit, and the top can have either 2 120mm or 2 140mm. As far as what size and how many do you suggest. I was thinking 2 120mm in front and 2 140mm on top with the option of a side intake fan?
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Personally, if you're just going to slap a fan on it anyways, I would get the Twin Turbo 2. But, that's just me. The fans on the S1 are so spread out for all that passiveness, you could get more surface area out of a heatsink designed for fans.


Good point. Something to think about. I like the idea of a larger fin array so you can use a 120mm fan with low low low rpm's. Almost silent.

A good 120mm @500rpm fan isn't almost silent; it's dead silent biggrin.gif
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Personally, if you're just going to slap a fan on it anyways, I would get the Twin Turbo 2. But, that's just me. The fans on the S1 are so spread out for all that passiveness, you could get more surface area out of a heatsink designed for fans.


Good point. Something to think about. I like the idea of a larger fin array so you can use a 120mm fan with low low low rpm's. Almost silent.

A good 120mm @500rpm fan isn't almost silent; it's dead silent biggrin.gif


Put your ear up to it, you can hear it. I can hear 300 rpm fans. No fan that moves fast enough to push air will be dead silent. Heck, even zombies aren't silent.

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For a the front intake on the 410 Phantom it says only a single 140mm or 2 120mm will fit, and the top can have either 2 120mm or 2 140mm. As far as what size and how many do you suggest. I was thinking 2 120mm in front and 2 140mm on top with the option of a side intake fan?

For the top fans, I would think one in the front slot and the back slot blocked off would be best if you have a good fan on your heatsink. You might still try both fans up top to see if it works best.

As for the front fan, it depends on how much GPU cooling you need and how many 3.5" and 5.25" drives you have. I would suggest a fan in your 5.25" drive bay that you can mount with styrofoam and wedge it in there or use velcro strips. A 140mm takes up four slots, but you might get it to fit if you're lucky. A 120 will fit in 3 slots, so if you don't have any drives it can work.

As for the bottom of the front, if you only have one or two drives keep them in the bottom drive bay. That way you can put a single 140 in the upper spot and it should be unobstructed all the way to your GPUs. The key point of 140mm fans is that they can run at a lower RPM and still push the same amount of air as smaller fans. The drawback to that is that they lose some static pressure because of the slower speed, so comparative cfm doesn't necessarily mean better temps with rads or obstructions like drive bays.
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