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First and foremost, thanks to everyone for this incredible thread. I want to push my air cooling setup as far as I can go, and wanted to ask for input from everyone here.

I've attached a diagram (not to scale), of my case (Thermaltake Level 10 GT) and planned fan layout. I've used some spare parts from my ATCS 840 to add two 120mm fans in the middle of the case for circulation, and I've added a Cooler Master 4 in 3 HDD Module (with no hard drives) to add an additional 120mm filtered intake fan.

My video cards are a pair of ASUS 6970 Direct CUIIs in Crossfire with proper spacing (meaning there is a gap for airflow between the cards). Each card has 2x100mm fans, and they push most the air outside the case (75% out, 25% in the case I'd say...maybe 60/40 when they are pushed up to 100% fan speed).

In the diagram, blue arrows are for cool air, purple arrows are for warmed internal air, and red arrows are for exhaust.

My questions are as follows:
  1. Are they any obvious things I've missed in doing this layout?
  2. Should I switch the top 200mm fan to intake as opposed to exhaust, and let the Kuhler 920 and the vents in the case be the sole exhaust source?
  3. Should I switch the top 200mm fan with 2x120mm fans? Should they be set to intake or exhaust? I have a pair of Cooler Master Excaliburs I could use.
  4. Are there any advanced suggestions to improve the cooling in this case? I'm think about maybe building or crafting a some sort of divider at the back of my case, to force the hot air exhausted away from any possible intakes (like the side fan or possibly top fans). Does that sound like it would help any?
    
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u might see better temps making the top exhaust an intake
i had a very similar setup and i saw better temps going intake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SirWaWa;14387909 
u might see better temps making the top exhaust an intake
i had a very similar setup and i saw better temps going intake

from my point of view, he needs to do some testing, because in my case, top as exhaust gave me better temps! lol

@Konig-Wolf go back a couple of pages and you will see some tests I've done with the HAF 912-A I own, to give you and idea of how much impact can do 2 fans positioned wrongly.

good luck and keep us updated with results ! biggrin.gif
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With the Elysium I plan on getting I'd like to try rigging some fans to the lower portion of the side mesh eventually but the unused portions of the side mesh and the little vents above and below it look like they might allow air to escape without passing through the CPU/VGA area.

With the positive flow setup I'm going for, might it be advantageously to block these vents so the air coming from the top and front can only escape out the rear ports and open pci-slots?

On an unrelated note, it's a shame the Fractal Define XL can only exhaust out it's oddly placed 180mm fan, otherwise it'd be a blast to try. Two 140mm and one 120mm fans up front, big side intake, but that 180mm top fan only exhausts. Unless you modded the top of the case.
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With the Elysium I plan on getting I'd like to try rigging some fans to the lower portion of the side mesh eventually but the unused portions of the side mesh and the little vents above and below it look like they might allow air to escape without passing through the CPU/VGA area.

With the positive flow setup I'm going for, might it be advantageously to block these vents so the air coming from the top and front can only escape out the rear ports and open pci-slots?

On an unrelated note, it's a shame the Fractal Define XL can only exhaust out it's oddly placed 180mm fan, otherwise it'd be a blast to try. Two 140mm and one 120mm fans up front, big side intake, but that 180mm top fan only exhausts. Unless you modded the top of the case.

The Elysium looks highly promising. I especially like the twin 140mm fan spaces up top and the 140mm rear fan position. It ought to have room for an Archon. As for advanced fan positioning and use of mesh windows, you'd really need to do a case study for us, and post a lot of pictures.

The Fractal Define XL - the company says they recommend exhaust for the top 180mm fan, which suggests that it could be in intake. OTOH, rear positioned top fans are pretty much good only for exhaust. I can't tell from the pics I can find on a quick search - is there a forward top fan position? Or is the rearward position the only one?
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The Elysium looks highly promising. I especially like the twin 140mm fan spaces up top and the 140mm rear fan position. It ought to have room for an Archon. As for advanced fan positioning and use of mesh windows, you'd really need to do a case study for us, and post a lot of pictures.

The Fractal Define XL - the company says they recommend exhaust for the top 180mm fan, which suggests that it could be in intake. OTOH, rear positioned top fans are pretty much good only for exhaust. I can't tell from the pics I can find on a quick search - is there a forward top fan position? Or is the rearward position the only one?

Indeed, it should be a lot of fun. I plan to move to the Elysium when I also make the jump to Bulldozer and I'm thinking of either the Archon or the Macho HR-02 for the cooler.

With the XL, I believe the top fan only has that odd angled rearward position. If you could reverse it for intake, it looks like it would be drawing air from a vent above the rear 140mm fan port. Which seems like you'd end up possibly recirculating hot air into the case. It could work though.

http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/11/fractal-design-define-xl-review/fractal-xl-17-l.jpg
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UPDATE

So I decided to mod a bit more my case, switched the stock plexi to my old 100% clear side plexi, but now I cutted 2 holes to fit two 120mm fans + filters.

I had this bug in my mind always because the stock plexi has tons of air restriction due how the intake holes are made and in top of that add a filter? no intake air FTL ? lol ...

So I used the stock acrilyc for a while with a fan in there, gave me good results, which I posted here a couple of pages back, anyway here are some pics of the modding.

From this:

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To this:

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And the Temp test results went from this with one side fan ...

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To the dual side fan:

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Another 3*c shaved from my temps !

So yeah, listen to Ehume and take into consideration side fans too, your GPU(s) will be very thankfull with the extra fresh air biggrin.gif
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As soon as I can figure out the dimensions I have available on the panel before I'd hit my cpu cooler the sooner I can figure out what fans I could fit on the side smile.gif.

I'm hoping for at least two 120mm fans but I might be able to squeeze in two 140mm fans. The side fan is apparently a 230mm fan (Though I can find no such fan on Xigmatek's site) and there's extra room on the sides so two 140mm fans would be potentially feasible.

Not sure which 140mm fan to go with though, lots of choices. TY-140s running at 9v wouldn't be a bad choice but it's always fun to try new fans. Maybe the Scythe Kaze Maru 2 series (800rpm) or this Zalman fan.

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As soon as I can figure out the dimensions I have available on the panel before I'd hit my cpu cooler the sooner I can figure out what fans I could fit on the side smile.gif.

I'm hoping for at least two 120mm fans but I might be able to squeeze in two 140mm fans. The side fan is apparently a 230mm fan (Though I can find no such fan on Xigmatek's site) and there's extra room on the sides so two 140mm fans would be potentially feasible.

Not sure which 140mm fan to go with though, lots of choices. TY-140s running at 9v wouldn't be a bad choice but it's always fun to try new fans. Maybe the Scythe Kaze Maru 2 series (800rpm) or this Zalman fan.

Also Noctua NF-P14 :
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A. NZXT 200mm 166cfm both as intake.
B. Scythe Slipstream 120mm 88cfm both as intake. I will soon be replacing these with these Scythe Kama Flex 135mm 100cfm fans.
C. Stock exhaust fan. I originally removed this along with the rear 120mm exhaust fan. However, I found having the upper exhaust benefited my temps, so I recently re-installed it. This is my only exhaust fan.

This set up gives me significant temp improvements over the stock fans.
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