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I was following Antec cases up through the spring. Pretty much, any case that has only a rear top fan position is designed so that you can only use that position for top exhaust. I hate that.

 

The other problem is closed bottom rear position. I have found that putting a PSU above one of those slotted "vents" is almost like having no vent. Your psu will be starved for air and get very hot. You can put in a psu with the fan on top, but it must be a constantly running fan. If the psu has a fan profile where the fan is off during part of its usage, the hot air will rise from it and you will have to cope with it using your case ventilation. This is how some newer Antec cases are built.

 

Overall, you must evaluate each case. But so far, Antec has mostly disappointed me. There are exceptions.

 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=IY5LeGb9b_A#t=360s - 1100 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ubX0pKrtZiI#t=309s - 302

 

I don't see how Antec's PSU vents on the bottom are any more restrictive than Corsair's, Coolermaster's, NZXT's, etc.

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Hey ehume I have reed you op and it has a lot of very useful information in it that i rely do appreciate you taking the time to post.
I have a question if you wouldn't mind helping me with.
I have the NZXT phantom 410, I have not transferred my system to this case yet as i want to get all of my plans in place first. can you please if you have the time recommend a plan for how i will set up my fans for positive pressure? If you could it would be very much appreciated

check ehume's review at overclockers.com


And that review is here.

 

In general, I recommend you start with stock and after you use the case a while decide on how you want to put in your fannage. My own rig went through many permutations. I will probably tweak it some more.

 

The only thing I do on every case before I use it is to remove the rear grill.

 

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As for Antec's "testing," it proves nothing. I think you are better off going to a third party site like this one. You will note that there are a couple of Antec cases in the top ten, which is why I don't say all Antec cases do not cool well.

I read your review on the DS1 on overclockers.com and it was pretty good, but you could've at least had some thermal results on the stock config or what you would think would be the best fan placement since you're all about air flow.

Anandtech and Bit-tech had completely different thermal results from each other so it would've been nice for someone to test the DS1 to find out which site is correct, although Anandtech is a more reputable site.

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well looking at those at least from my opinion, the case sits way too low to the ground, where are you expecting it to get it's airflow from? I have the full sized NZXT Phantom and even though I sometimes still think the PSU isn't getting enough air, at least the case is about an +-inch off the ground, giving the PSU at least a little more room to breath. sure many of the cases are designed fairly similar, but upon actual testing you can see which cases are designed properly and which are just bad. I haven't tested as many as ehume but within the couple that I have tested, the cases with decent airflow generally share some similar traits, and all lack grills
   
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This is the bottom of a Z11. Under the PSU it is essentially the same as the "vents" under the PSU in Lian Li cases and others. And Antec, in its DF-85, has no vents under the PSU(!).

 

Even with elevating pegs, a PSU will get hot in a Z11. It will even get hot with the case on its side. I know this because I needed to use the Z11 when I was testing a heatsink recently. Since removing the motherboard from the case I have removed the restrictive "vents." Heck, PSU's come with their own grills or finger guards.

 

Bottom line is that we have one more air orifice to think about.

 

As for my review of the DS1, when I get a motherboard/cpu I can devote to testing I will start getting system temps. My test system has been tied up with a very puzzling heatsink for months.

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This is the bottom of a Z11. Under the PSU it is essentially the same as the "vents" under the PSU in Lian Li cases and others. And Antec, in its DF-85, has no vents under the PSU(!).

 

Even with elevating pegs, a PSU will get hot in a Z11. It will even get hot with the case on its side. I know this because I needed to use the Z11 when I was testing a heatsink recently. Since removing the motherboard from the case I have removed the restrictive "vents." Heck, PSU's come with their own grills or finger guards.

 

Bottom line is that we have one more air orifice to think about.

 

As for my review of the DS1, when I get a motherboard/cpu I can devote to testing I will start getting system temps. My test system has been tied up with a very puzzling heatsink for months.

Since you already reviewed the DS1, how restrictive is the chimney?

 

I plan on using the DS1 in my first build and I want to have air flow similar to your first post, a fan on the top , right above the CPU cooler as an intake with the rear fan, so that the Evo will push the air out the rear itself. I'm also planning on using the side panel dust filter on the intake at the top and keeping the side panel closed.

 

But the chimney looks a little restrictive.

 

I also don't know if I should have 1 front intake and 1 bottom intake, or 2 front intake and no bottom intake.

 

Also, when is the DS1 coming to the US?

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This is the bottom of a Z11. Under the PSU it is essentially the same as the "vents" under the PSU in Lian Li cases and others. And Antec, in its DF-85, has no vents under the PSU(!).

 

Even with elevating pegs, a PSU will get hot in a Z11. It will even get hot with the case on its side. I know this because I needed to use the Z11 when I was testing a heatsink recently. Since removing the motherboard from the case I have removed the restrictive "vents." Heck, PSU's come with their own grills or finger guards.

 

Bottom line is that we have one more air orifice to think about.

 

As for my review of the DS1, when I get a motherboard/cpu I can devote to testing I will start getting system temps. My test system has been tied up with a very puzzling heatsink for months.

Since you already reviewed the DS1, how restrictive is the chimney?

 

I plan on using the DS1 in my first build and I want to have air flow similar to your first post, a fan on the top , right above the CPU cooler as an intake with the rear fan, so that the Evo will push the air out the rear itself. I'm also planning on using the side panel dust filter on the intake at the top and keeping the side panel closed.

 

But the chimney looks a little restrictive.

 

I also don't know if I should have 1 front intake and 1 bottom intake, or 2 front intake and no bottom intake.

 

Also, when is the DS1 coming to the US?


With a quarter-inch gap, you ought to be able to pull air through better than air would drift up.

 

I can't find it for sale anywhere. That makes the one I have rather rare ATM.

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post #1726 of 2110
@ehume

Do you of the The Mod for graphics cards using AIO liquid cooling systems like the Antec Kuhler 620?

Here's my case:

L1270040.jpg

I'm planning on doing the mod to my GTX 670 but don't know where to put the radiator. Can you guide me through here?

Thanks.
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@ehume
Do you of the The Mod for graphics cards using AIO liquid cooling systems like the Antec Kuhler 620?
Here's my case: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
L1270040.jpg
I'm planning on doing the mod to my GTX 670 but don't know where to put the radiator. Can you guide me through here?
Thanks.

You might as well get a Thermalright Shaman...

A radiator really wouldn't work well in your case (pun!).
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You might as well get a Thermalright Shaman...
A radiator really wouldn't work well in your case (pun!).

Huh? Why not?
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@ehume

Do you of the The Mod for graphics cards using AIO liquid cooling systems like the Antec Kuhler 620?

Here's my case:

L1270040.jpg

I'm planning on doing the mod to my GTX 670 but don't know where to put the radiator. Can you guide me through here?

Thanks.


The only place for a rad in your case would be on the side panel, pulling air out of the case. So that's really not practical.

 

However, one of the advantages of water cooling is that the heat intake (the contact plate) and the heat exhaust (the rad) can be in separate locations. If the hoses are long enough, you should locate the rad for your gpu cooling outside your case.

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The only place for a rad in your case would be on the side panel, pulling air out of the case. So that's really not practical.

However, one of the advantages of water cooling is that the heat intake (the contact plate) and the heat exhaust (the rad) can be in separate locations. If the hoses are long enough, you should locate the rad for your gpu cooling outside your case.

Ah but why do some people here recommend to put a rad on the bottom fan slot of my case?
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