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Hi ehume,

Sorry to bother you a bit.. I have a couple question to ask.

1. Right now I own a Corsair 600T and I'm ordering H60 mount with 2 Gentle Typhoon AP-15 as push-pull and 2 more GT's AP-15 as top fan exhaust. Front intake is still that lame 200mm stock fan *sigh* (can you help me with better fan to replace this "thing"?), my room is a non-air conditioned.
The question is: I want to make this lovely case into positive pressure, what and how should I do to make it happen?

2. My friend keep teasing me to replace this 600T into Silverstone FT02, and keep the H60 with the AP-15 as push-pull setting. As all we know, Silverstone FT02 is a decent positive pressure case.
The question is: Should I do this? (Considering the cost of modifying number 1 question is maybe higher than buying this Silverstone FT02)

I really like the idea of this positive pressure and i want my case become dust-less or minimum one. Really appreciate your comment/feedback..

I'd say remove the HD cages, putting one back in the center position. Put one of your 120mm fans in the forward top position, and cover all the rest of the space up there. If you can bear to do it, cut out the rear grill (use side cutters or use this). That alone will allow you to do without a rear fan, and make sure your case never builds up any pressure.

Another thing you can do is to put a 120mm or 140mm fan in your 5.25 bay. See item 10 in my sig. Anyway, that's how I'd do it.
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I've got a few questions:

1) Wouldn't a front/high intake (like one in the 5.25 bay) work as well as a top intake, and leave the rear top opening for exhaust use? Intuitively I think yes, as the bay itself would limit a lot of the air movement into the case from dispersing to the sides, which the intake for a cooler would then carry the rest of the way to the motherboard and CPU cooler and eventually out the rear/high exhaust (be it fan or open window).

2) How does one manage air flow in cases with odd rectangular wire mesh panels on the rear? On my case, I can see this being one of the main areas air would be sucked into the case to feed the cooling mechanism on a GPU, but in any case I can see them being a way for recently-exhausted air to be sucked back in.

3) Keep or lose the metal GPU slot covers? I noticed you removed them in the examples in the first post, but would they not also be a potential air-intake for recently-vented air?
    
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I've got a few questions:

1) Wouldn't a front/high intake (like one in the 5.25 bay) work as well as a top intake, and leave the rear top opening for exhaust use? Intuitively I think yes, as the bay itself would limit a lot of the air movement into the case from dispersing to the sides, which the intake for a cooler would then carry the rest of the way to the motherboard and CPU cooler and eventually out the rear/high exhaust (be it fan or open window).

2) How does one manage air flow in cases with odd rectangular wire mesh panels on the rear? On my case, I can see this being one of the main areas air would be sucked into the case to feed the cooling mechanism on a GPU, but in any case I can see them being a way for recently-exhausted air to be sucked back in.

3) Keep or lose the metal GPU slot covers? I noticed you removed them in the examples in the first post, but would they not also be a potential air-intake for recently-vented air?

Which model Xion are you using?

I like upper font intake + forward top intake + closed rear top fan position so I can build up a wind tunnel effect. Recent results people have reported from the HAF X indicate that the ceiling is too tall in that case for a wind tunnel; so having both top fan positions dedicated to intake works better.

In my wind tunnel case, the grill that sits above/next to the heatsink does not appear to draw air in or expel air. YMMV. Hang a bit of tissue next to the grill and see what happens.

And if you want to know about those slot covers you will have to try it out.

Always: try it out. Theory gets lost in zillions of variations.
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The new RV03 cools better than the FT02/RV02-E. And you can also remove the gold strips if you don't like them.

And why are you getting a H60? a Antec Kuhler 920 gets the job done better

For somebodysb2, thanks for your suggestion to choose RV03 than FT02. But I'm a conservative builder, i like my case simple and elegan that's why i found Corsair 600T and FT02 more suitable to my "eyes"..

And as H60 than to Kuhler 920, I'm waiting for H80 to arrive in my country, and Kuhler is more expensive than H60. So, it's more of a use-it-before-the-main-cooler-arrive game. It's cheaper anyway and i'm planning to mount a push-pull setting on it.
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I'd say remove the HD cages, putting one back in the center position. Put one of your 120mm fans in the forward top position, and cover all the rest of the space up there. If you can bear to do it, cut out the rear grill (use side cutters or use this). That alone will allow you to do without a rear fan, and make sure your case never builds up any pressure.

Another thing you can do is to put a 120mm or 140mm fan in your 5.25 bay. See item 10 in my sig. Anyway, that's how I'd do it.

Thanks ehume, but this 600T had just arrived about 1 day ago. And as you can see in my system, all come in standard package (means for the fan I got from Corsair 600T package)

So, basically I'm not about to put a hole in this case (but I know your suggestion is flawless for a positive pressure, because I saw silverstone done so in their youtube video).

Then, what I need is a help on putting/setting for the right fan to mount in this case so I can create a positive pressure.
1. Where should I mount this H60 with push-pull setting?
2. Should I change my order of Gentle Typhoon AP-15 into AP-14 or lower for intake/exhaust case-fan?
3. I plan to replace front 200mm fan into 140mm fan which is better to supply intake, but still have no idea what to choose... redface.gif
4. I'll take your suggestion to mount fan into 5.25" bay. But, I have a DVD R/RW device and a Lamptron FC5 to fill 2 of the 4 slot. Do I need to use 80mm or 90mm fan as a replace? What do you recommend?

Thanks for your attention to this noobie matter.. cheers.gifcheers.gif
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This case, specifically. The only viable additional intake without using power tools on the case is in the 5.25 bay. The top vent at the back will either host an exhaust fan or nothing at all.

I'll take a few temp measurements of things as they are now and as I change them. Only had a desktop for two weeks and I'm already about to experiment. rolleyes.gif
    
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Originally Posted by g.androider;14171232 
Thanks ehume, but this 600T had just arrived about 1 day ago. And as you can see in my system, all come in standard package (means for the fan I got from Corsair 600T package)

So, basically I'm not about to put a hole in this case (but I know your suggestion is flawless for a positive pressure, because I saw silverstone done so in their youtube video).

Then, what I need is a help on putting/setting for the right fan to mount in this case so I can create a positive pressure.
1. Where should I mount this H60 with push-pull setting?
2. Should I change my order of Gentle Typhoon AP-15 into AP-14 or lower for intake/exhaust case-fan?
3. I plan to replace front 200mm fan into 140mm fan which is better to supply intake, but still have no idea what to choose... redface.gif
4. I'll take your suggestion to mount fan into 5.25" bay. But, I have a DVD R/RW device and a Lamptron FC5 to fill 2 of the 4 slot. Do I need to use 80mm or 90mm fan as a replace? What do you recommend?

Thanks for your attention to this noobie matter.. cheers.gifcheers.gif

I would try to live with the case before doing something drastic. In particular, I forgot about your H60. You don't need the kind of airflow we aircoolers need.

So, for the front 200mm fan use the stock fan. Set up the other 200mm fan as an exhaust. Try the H60 as exhaust and
as intake, then compare temps. Whatever works, go with that.

Since you may be using your GT's on your rad, stay with AP-15's. You can always reduce the Voltage later with your fan controller to reduce their rpm.

For 5.25 bay: depends on how deep the fan controller goes. If you look through item 10 in my sig, you will see that I put a 140mm fan in my 5.25 bay with only two slots free up front.

From experience I will tell you: 80mm and 92mm fans are not worth anything. Don't try to use them. If you can't fit a larger fan behind your fan controller, don't bother with any fan there.

Overall, with an H60 I am not sure a positive pressure case is the way to go. Try to keep it neutral.
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This case, specifically. The only viable additional intake without using power tools on the case is in the 5.25 bay. The top vent at the back will either host an exhaust fan or nothing at all.

I'll take a few temp measurements of things as they are now and as I change them. Only had a desktop for two weeks and I'm already about to experiment. rolleyes.gif

I can see that your case has only a rear vent on top. I hate cases like that. In other ways your case is very much like my case. I took out the HD cage on mine:

Beta_Evo_quiet_rig_2011-05-30_005.png

Experimenting is the way to go.
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So, for the front 200mm fan use the stock fan. Set up the other 200mm fan as an exhaust. Try the H60 as exhaust and
as intake, then compare temps. Whatever works, go with that.

Since you may be using your GT's on your rad, stay with AP-15's. You can always reduce the Voltage later with your fan controller to reduce their rpm.

For 5.25 bay: depends on how deep the fan controller goes. If you look through item 10 in my sig, you will see that I put a 140mm fan in my 5.25 bay with only two slots free up front.

From experience I will tell you: 80mm and 92mm fans are not worth anything. Don't try to use them. If you can't fit a larger fan behind your fan controller, don't bother with any fan there.

Overall, with an H60 I am not sure a positive pressure case is the way to go. Try to keep it neutral.

Thanks for your effort to explain this to me.. I found out that for the 2 slot left on 5.25" bay can handle a 140mm fan on it.. cool.gifcool.gif (just need to mod a little just like you did on your sig).

1. What should I mount here? Thermalright TY-140 or Scythe Slip Stream 1700 RPM or Noctua fan?

2. About front and top fan, I did not "feel" enough air flowing from stock 200mm fan. How if I replace them with 120mm or 140mm fan? Do they need high RPM or lower ones? (front as intake and top as exhaust)
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Thanks for your effort to explain this to me.. I found out that for the 2 slot left on 5.25" bay can handle a 140mm fan on it.. cool.gifcool.gif (just need to mod a little just like you did on your sig).

1. What should I mount here? Thermalright TY-140 or Scythe Slip Stream 1700 RPM or Noctua fan?

2. About front and top fan, I did not "feel" enough air flowing from stock 200mm fan. How if I replace them with 120mm or 140mm fan? Do they need high RPM or lower ones? (front as intake and top as exhaust)

You did not feel much air from the 200mm because it is spread out over an eight-inch disk. You might feel more air from a 120mm disk, but actually get less overall airflow. Now, if you want higher velocity you can Velcro a 140mm fan there. But it will be louder. Quietness is why you would want a 200mm fan up front.

I have an Aerocool Shark 14cm in my 5.25 bay, hooked to its 7v line. But for less money you could get a YL D14SM-12 and a D14SL-12, and see which one you like better. They also come with LED's. Then there is the TR X-Silent 140.

There is a nice review of 140mm fans here.

Just make sure that before you put sleeve bearing fans to work, lube them. See item 3 in my sig.
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You did not feel much air from the 200mm because it is spread out over an eight-inch disk. You might feel more air from a 120mm disk, but actually get less overall airflow. Now, if you want higher velocity you can Velcro a 140mm fan there. But it will be louder. Quietness is why you would want a 200mm fan up front.

I have an Aerocool Shark 14cm in my 5.25 bay, hooked to its 7v line. But for less money you could get a YL D14SM-12 and a D14SL-12, and see which one you like better. They also come with LED's. Then there is the TR X-Silent 140.

There is a nice review of 140mm fans here.

Just make sure that before you put sleeve bearing fans to work, lube them. See item 3 in my sig.

I'd already moved the HDD cage next to the PSU. I think I'll keep the 200mm front and search for best 200mm to replace it later (according to Mergatroid. NZXT 200mm will do best for intake in 600T).

Right now, I will focus more on 140mm fan for the 5.25" bay. I'm reading your link right now... Great post, ehume. Thanks.. cheers.gifcheers.gif
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Originally Posted by g.androider;14174257 
I'd already moved the HDD cage next to the PSU. I think I'll keep the 200mm front and search for best 200mm to replace it later (according to Mergatroid. NZXT 200mm will do best for intake in 600T).

Right now, I will focus more on 140mm fan for the 5.25" bay. I'm reading your link right now... Great post, ehume. Thanks.. cheers.gifcheers.gif

Don't forget the link at the bottom that takes you to the 140mm.
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