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Originally Posted by solsamurai View Post

1. Change both side panel fans to intake. You don't want warm air from the GPU circulating back up into the top fan.
2. Cut out rear fan mesh if possible. Air will more flow out the back more easily that way.
3. Remove the water cooling grommets at the bottom of your case. This will allow additional airflow out the back of the case. I did this and it noticeably helped. Refer to my post above for a picture.
Hope this helps! thumb.gif
EDIT: You can remove the unused PCI slot covers as well. Again see the picture I posted earlier for reference. biggrin.gif

ok ill change them and try it out.
wont all that intake get extra dust in the case?
also not sure if i can cut out the grill of the back outtake fan as im not that pro with tools besides a screwdriver:p
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post #662 of 2110
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If you want positive pressure airflow flip both of those top exhaust fans to intake. One intake and one exhaust will only circulate warm air back into the case. It looks like your rig is in a very confined space. Or is that your couch? biggrin.gif

This really works. My peak load temp (P95 Blend) at 5.1 GHz was 72C. I shaved off 4C by flipping the top exhaust to intake. I tried this once before and only saw a very minor improvement of about 1.5C or so. I made the mistake of not blocking off the second top vent. In turn my intake was recirculating some warm air.

Temps with 2 exhaust on top (4 cores)
1- 68C
2- 72-C
3- 69C
4- 67C

Temp with 1 intake and second blocked off (4 cores)
1- 64C
2- 68C
3- 65C
4- 63C
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ok ill change them and try it out.
wont all that intake get extra dust in the case?
also not sure if i can cut out the grill of the back outtake fan as im not that pro with tools besides a screwdriver:p

Positive pressure pushes air out through all the different openings in your case. Negative pressure sucks dust in from these openings. I have no dust filters on my side and top intakes and my rig doesn't get too bad. Dust it about once a month. If you get dust filters your rig will be even cleaner. thumb.gif For the rear fan grill if you can find something like this all you need to do is drill the one hole and the rest is cake. I plan to do this myself for my rear grill.
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Originally Posted by Jcoffin1981 View Post

This really works. My peak load temp (P95 Blend) at 5.1 GHz was 72C. I shaved off 4C by flipping the top exhaust to intake. I tried this once before and only saw a very minor improvement of about 1.5C or so. I made the mistake of not blocking off the second top vent. In turn my intake was recirculating some warm air.
Temps with 2 exhaust on top (4 cores)
1- 68C
2- 72-C
3- 69C
4- 67C
Temp with 1 intake and second blocked off (4 cores)
1- 64C
2- 68C
3- 65C
4- 63C

Glad it worked out so well! thumb.gif
Edited by solsamurai - 1/27/12 at 4:24pm
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post #664 of 2110
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450

your biggest problem is the location of the computer case itself.

as seen in your picture, your computer is placed between your desk and the couch (with a cat on top:D) if you look closely at how the air would flow and the temps are like OUTSIDE of the case you will know what i mean. you are creating a high pressure zone outside the rear of the computer (PSU exhaust, CPU exhaust, GPU exhaust) filled with warm air, and less then 3 inchs away you have 2 x 120mm fans creating a low pressure zone with the side panel intake fans. we all know convection means hot air flows up, however convection current isn't strong/fast enough to account for the difference between the high/low pressure zones you are creating with the limited semi closed off area of the wall/desk/couch. this means a good deal of the warm air will get sucked right back into the case by the side intake fans. I would strongly recommend you give at least 6 inches of clearance on the side panel fans and maybe 8 to 12 inches of clearance in the back of the machine to allow convection to work alittle better so the hot air can escape up to the top and reduce the recirculation of hot air.

the cat is a problem also since the fur it sheds gets sucked up by the 120mm fans on the side panel but i suspect you know this already:D
post #665 of 2110
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arrow 0309 - measure your net temps with:

 

Both top fans exhaust

Both top fans intake

Forward top fan intake, rearward top fan blocked off.

 

Go with whatever gives you the lowest temps.

 

 

miniterror -

 

Remove the unused slot covers. If you had a nibbler I'd tell you to remove the slot pillars as well

 

With the slot covers removed you can use some foam and adapt a fan to pull air out the back down by your gpu.

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Any suggestions on intake fans ? Currently I have two 140mm Fractal fans, which came with the case, but I'm not too happy with them- after under-volting they loose a lot of performance. Because of fan montage system in Fractal Arc Midi I have to use fans with standard frame, no Noctua P14 or Thermalright TY140.

edit:
I was thinking about SilverStone SST-AP141-UV 140mm
Edited by Greg1 - 1/28/12 at 2:22am
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GT-AP14's are fantastic as case fans. I use 3x AP-15's on my D14 and 4x AP-14 intake fans; Dead quiet at idle (all PWM controlled via rheobus).
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Won't fit, only 140mm in standard frame. This is the front of my case and in my opinion that's the weakest spot of it thumbsdownsmileyanim.gif
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Any suggestions on intake fans ? Currently I have two 140mm Fractal fans, which came with the case, but I'm not too happy with them- after under-volting they loose a lot of performance. Because of fan montage system in Fractal Arc Midi I have to use fans with standard frame, no Noctua P14 or Thermalright TY140.

edit:
I was thinking about SilverStone SST-AP141-UV 140mm

I'd go with two of these NB BlackSilent Pro Fan PK3 1700rpm, or two Akasa Viper 140mm PWM Fan 1600rpm and a lot of cfm if you don't care about the fan colours or leds:

600600

Or these Aerocool Shark Blue Edition LED Fan 1500rpm for a nice, blu led 140mm fan:

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Any suggestions on intake fans ? Currently I have two 140mm Fractal fans, which came with the case, but I'm not too happy with them- after under-volting they loose a lot of performance. Because of fan montage system in Fractal Arc Midi I have to use fans with standard frame, no Noctua P14 or Thermalright TY140.
edit:
I was thinking about SilverStone SST-AP141-UV 140mm

take a look at the prolimatech 140mm vortex series. very quiet, real 140mm mounting and almost the same specs as TY140
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