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I wouldn't go point and shoot if you are looking to pick up photography.

Usually point and shoots have issues with noise. And they dont react fast enough for you to get a good picture in action.

Like others have said. An entry level DSLR would work just fine.
    
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A good point and shoot would react well enough. I can't tell much of a difference between a shot taken on my Lumix and a shot taken on my DSLR.

I would recommend a DSLR, but if the guy doesn't have much cash, a good point and shoot is a good alternative.
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Originally Posted by Markeh View Post
A good point and shoot would react well enough.
Can you quantify "well enough"? Phase-detect AF is much faster than the contrast-detect systems in point-and-shoots, and the actual process of flipping the mirror and exposing the scene takes very little time as well.

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I can't tell much of a difference between a shot taken on my Lumix and a shot taken on my DSLR.
You're not making prints, are you?

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I would recommend a DSLR, but if the guy doesn't have much cash, a good point and shoot is a good alternative.
I would rather spend 250 bucks on an XTi any day than some "midrange" p+s.
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Can you quantify "well enough"? Phase-detect AF is much faster than the contrast-detect systems in point-and-shoots, and the actual process of flipping the mirror and exposing the scene takes very little time as well.



You're not making prints, are you?



I would rather spend 250 bucks on an XTi any day than some "midrange" p+s.
I will admit the DSLR is quicker, but the point and shoot is hardly a slouch.

I have made A4 prints on decent paper with a good photo printer, and it was hard to see a difference between the two cameras. I will admit, however, that I'd still rather have a DSLR.

And I'd rather have the XTi, but it's called "giving another option to people"... :l Didn't know it was so frowned upon on OCN. If he really was a beginner and didn't want to shell out too much, then a decent P+S would be OK.
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I will admit the DSLR is quicker, but the point and shoot is hardly a slouch.
I, and I imagine most others involved in serious photography, would disagree. P+S cameras are slow, high-noise pocket pals with mediocre optics. Even modern entry level DSLRs give the user way more freedom than any P+S.

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I have made A4 prints on decent paper with a good photo printer, and it was hard to see a difference between the two cameras.
Either your eyes aren't trained very well, or... something -- at A4, you're really exposing a lot of what differentiates the images from a DSLR, namely noise and sharpness (or lack thereof).

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And I'd rather have the XTi, but it's called "giving another option to people"... :l Didn't know it was so frowned upon on OCN. If he really was a beginner and didn't want to shell out too much, then a decent P+S would be OK.
Another option is fine, but for ~$250 dollars, he can get an SLR that will wipe the floor with any P+S on the market.
post #16 of 24
like sub50hz said above, a used DSLR at $250 will be a better choice then a brand spankin new point and shoot at the same price. The quality of the lens is better in a DSLR, the autofocus will be faster, it will handle low light better, it will react faster to your inputs, and what you see throug the view finder is live (there is no delay). In any camera with an LCD screen, what you see on the screen is delayed. Even if it is just a half a second, there is always a delay. Try to take pictures at a sporting event of action, and you will probably end up missing the shot. A viewfinder in a DSLR is real time. You're looking straight out the lense. No electronics involved, thus, no delay.

Also, if he decided photography is not his thing, he will be able to get more from reselling a DSLR or at least the lens(es) then you would from a point and shoot. If he does decide that he wants to get more serious with it. He can get a better camera body down the road and continue using the lens(es) he already has (so long as he checks compatability). If he were to get a point and shoot for $250, and he decides he wants to get more serious, he's got to shell out for a full kit, and the money spent on the point and shoot will have been wasted.
    
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I have made A4 prints on decent paper with a good photo printer, and it was hard to see a difference between the two cameras.
Are you shooting on automatic? Automatic shots by and large tend to be pretty horrible IMO, regardless of whether it's a $2,000 FF DSLR or a $200 point and shoot.

If you were to shoot manual, however, and you knew what you were doing, it's a world of difference between the two, even with an older EoL DSLR against a newer, current model P&S.
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Why is ebay not okay for used?
I am in europe so i dont think that website will work.
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Are you shooting on automatic? Automatic shots by and large tend to be pretty horrible IMO, regardless of whether it's a $2,000 FF DSLR or a $200 point and shoot.

If you were to shoot manual, however, and you knew what you were doing, it's a world of difference between the two, even with an older EoL DSLR against a newer, current model P&S.
With the one I printed, I was shooting on manual on the DSLR, and was on auto on the camera (well I had set the ISO and basically everything other than aperture and shutter speed manually). I do know what I'm doing.
I did admit that the DSLR took better pictures but only just. The difference was negligible.

He is better off with a DSLR, yes. What I was trying to say with a P+S was that if he then realised photography wasn't for him, it can still be used as an everyday camera. Not that a DSLR can't, obviously... yes i am that guy who goes around places with a DSLR constantly. However, if he went DSLR there is the chance to sell it, I suppose.

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Why is ebay not okay for used?
I am in europe so i dont think that website will work.
I think it's because you'll get a better deal from a camera forum, as they know the true value of things and likely take care of their equipment better, and therefore you know your getting a quality camera at a good price... however I'm not sure why eBay is so bad for camera parts. I had a camera battery, Sigma 70-300mm lens, and a few other accessories from eBay and they've been fine.
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Personal opinion would be to save up for a bit and pick up a D5100 with kit. Amazing camera, still considered entry level.
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