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Hilarious ,now they say we are cooling ?!

In the last 5 years , in my country ,we could observe how the whether changed from hot to cold for most of the time.No more 4 seasons ,it only 2 now.
We are spending a lot of money in keeping our houses warm ,almost half of the year opposed to 3-4 before not many years before.
Also plants development is affected in agriculture.

All this time we could hear the all mighty scientists saying that it s the global warming in culprit.

Maybe the Earth it s simply going tru this cycles of warm and cold regularly.

Anyway cold or not Earth will still be here when humans will be history.

We should see less "real" food though available ,agriculture is compromised in many countries this year.
   
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Global Warming hasn't been a scientifically accepted theory in quite some time. One thing about science is that it is ever changing based upon more data which is why Global Warming has been updated to Global Climate Change. What people don't seem to understand is that Scientists don't come up with theories and then find evidence to support them, they gather evidence and then form theories based on what has been discovered. Scientists are not afraid to change theories based on new evidence (although often times tenured ones are too stubborn). But...

The sun's cycles are completely irrelevant to the Global Climate Change theory, so let's try to keep this on topic.
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Then it should reverse the so-called greenhouse effect right? I have a a lot of money and I bet I can prove myself right for the next 20 years by manipulating the data in my favor.
Edited by aweir - 6/19/11 at 10:30pm
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Global Warming hasn't been a scientifically accepted theory in quite some time. One thing about science is that it is ever changing based upon more data which is why Global Warming has been updated to Global Climate Change. What people don't seem to understand is that Scientists don't come up with theories and then find evidence to support them, they gather evidence and then form theories based on what has been discovered. Scientists are not afraid to change theories based on new evidence (although often times tenured ones are too stubborn). But...

The sun's cycles are completely irrelevant to the Global Climate Change theory, so let's try to keep this on topic.
Are you serious?

1: if a theory had any weight, it would point towards either warming or cooling: not either. Saying either could happen is like saying "If i toss this coin, it could be heads or it could be tails". Captain Obvious?
2: Theories can follow evidence or evidence can follow theory. Plenty of important discoveries have happened by accident, and a theory has been developed subsequent to the evidence.
3: Scientists whose jobs depend on the existence of said theory are afraid to change their theories
4: How can the primary, all-encompassing force of heat and light on our planet and the solar system not be relevant to a change in temperature?
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Global warming was a hoax! Fox News was right. I love you Glen Beck, Bill O'Reilly, and Sean Hannity!
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Are you serious?

1: if a theory had any weight, it would point towards either warming or cooling: not either. Saying either could happen is like saying "If i toss this coin, it could be heads or it could be tails". Captain Obvious?
2: Theories can follow evidence or evidence can follow theory. Plenty of important discoveries have happened by accident, and a theory has been developed subsequent to the evidence.
3: Scientists whose jobs depend on the existence of said theory are afraid to change their theories
4: How can the primary, all-encompassing force of heat and light on our planet and the solar system not be relevant to a change in temperature?
*sigh* here we go again.

1: The reason scientists stopped using 'global warming' and switched to 'climate change' is because different models of the climate responded to growing CO2 levels in different ways. The problem is that there are many positive and negative feedbacks in climatology and as yet we don't really know the extent to which each one has on the overall climate conditions. What we DO know is that there will definitely be repercussions.

2: Please name me one respected theory that was developed before any evidence was collected to support it (Einstein's theories don't count because he had math to support it).

3: Climatologists are still going to have jobs if climate change is debunked. Also any reputable scientist shouldn't care if their favourite theory is debunked. All that matters is the advancement of our understanding.

4: Of course its relevant. In this case, however, it is certainly not central to it.
Edited by Sylence - 6/20/11 at 1:43am
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Any reputable scientist shouldn't care if their favourite theory is debunked. All that matters is the advancement of our understanding.
Wish more people outside of science would realize this.





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- How can the primary, all-encompassing force of heat and light on our planet and the solar system not be relevant to a change in temperature?
If you're interested in finding out why the Sun doesn't cause global warming:
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http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...solar-induced/

There is some news making the rounds that Earth is not the only planet experiencing global warming. Mars, for example, possibly appears to be getting a bit warmer, as are Jupiter, Neptune’s moon Triton, and even Pluto.

Could this mean that global warming is caused by the Sun and not man’s pollution?

I am certainly seeing global warming deniers and others taking this information and running with it (like here, for example, or here, and on Benny Peiser’s CCNet on March 7, 2007, though I don’t have a link for that). However, let’s take a skeptical approach shall we?

Edited by PoopaScoopa - 6/20/11 at 12:20pm
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Are you serious?

1: if a theory had any weight, it would point towards either warming or cooling: not either. Saying either could happen is like saying "If i toss this coin, it could be heads or it could be tails". Captain Obvious?
Wait, seriously? Warn the scientists, they're doing it wrong!

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2: Theories can follow evidence or evidence can follow theory. Plenty of important discoveries have happened by accident, and a theory has been developed subsequent to the evidence.
Didn't I just say that? That's how it works, data is collected and then a theory is formed. What makes a scientific theory different than a regular theory, however, is that it is altered upon new data.

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3: Scientists whose jobs depend on the existence of said theory are afraid to change their theories
Like those working for the oil companies? No, they're not afraid to change their "theories" they are just getting paid loads of cash to keep them.

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4: How can the primary, all-encompassing force of heat and light on our planet and the solar system not be relevant to a change in temperature?
It is entirely relevant to a change in temperature. It is not relevant to Climate Change Theory as that theory deals strictly with the potential climate changing effects of humans and greenhouse gases.

If the sun is on a cooler cycle then temperatures will drop a couple of degrees, however, that doesn't mean they have dropped as much as they would have.
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It is entirely relevant to a change in temperature. It is not relevant to Climate Change Theory as that theory deals strictly with the potential climate changing effects of humans and greenhouse gases.

If the sun is on a cooler cycle then temperatures will drop a couple of degrees, however, that doesn't mean they have dropped as much as they would have.
You're dodging the question. A change in the sun's output is entirely relevant because, if it does change the earth's temperature, that is an unaccounted variable in any climate change model. You cannot attribute warming effects to changes in greenhouse gases if you ignore changes in the sun. There is not enough evidence to state that "it might drop a couple of degrees but it wouldn't have dropped as much as it has, hurr". Speaking of which, how much do you think the earth's temperatures have dropped by? I thought the "consensus" was a warming effect
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No sense in going green anymore then.
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