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Originally Posted by Dromihetes View Post
In the last 5 years , in my country ,we could observe how the whether changed from hot to cold for most of the time.No more 4 seasons ,it only 2 now.
Actually, the Global Warming theory did predict that. If those supporting the theory are right, it means that the whole world would be warming regularly. However, there is an exception. They also claim that Europe will cool while the rest of the world will become warmer. This is because the oceanic current which currently brings heat from North American to Europe will stop due to warmer waters. And so Europe will freeze as the rest of the world burns.

In any case, the sun spot variation is separate from Global Warming. While the Sun spot activity difference will only result in cooler and warmer periods intermittently, Global Warming implies that the temperature of the World is increasing over a long period of time and so disregards the cycles of the sun.
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Wow I never thought there would be so many global warming deniers here. Why does everyone think global warming is a political issue. Global warming should not be an issue of political disagreement. It is an environmental issue. You can say suck it to Al Gore as much as you want and hey, you should he is a stupid hypocrite. I feel there are many incorrect statements here.

One big one is that global warming was not discovered by Al Gore but rather the US government. In the 1950's the government believed that global warming was taking place. By the 1980's they believed that humans are contributing to it to an extent. I do not have a link for this fact as it was covered in a recent pbs special. The same special highlighted how the US army is trying to deal with global warming. One innovation they have made is roll up solar panels. The pentagon has warned Bush, Obama, and the nation that global warming is a real issue. One such time can be read here http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ws.theobserver

Who would you think would be the smartest people in the nation. What comes to my mind is NASA. Well NASA also strongly believes that global warming is a serious issue. Nasa has actually come to ceongress multiple times to warn people about global warming. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108789.html

NASA even set up a site to inform people about global warming. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108789.html

I know what most of you are nwo thinking. You are saying, "Okay so what? You have talked about everyone except for the climate scientists themselves." A recent study took the top thousand or so climate researchers, all that had written at least 20 papers on the subject. They were ranked by the number of papers they had published. Of the top 50 only 2% did not believe that humans have an effect on global warming. Of the top 200 only 2.5% did not believe. This seems like pretty solid evidence to prove that the majority of scientists believe it really exists. http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...limate-change/

Most civilized countries do not think of global warming as an issue for just the right or left but for the world. I feel if there was not a political background to the issue maybe there would be less deniers. Either way I think most deniers should consider that it could be real and also that most believers should consider that it could be false. Hope some of you found this interesting.

EDIT: Sorry if this is considered to political. I will edit it if needed.
Edited by awesomator - 6/20/11 at 11:31pm
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Wow I never thought there would be so many global warming deniers here. Why does everyone think global warming is a political issue. Global warming should not be an issue of political disagreement. It is an environmental issue. You can say suck it to Al Gore as much as you want and hey, you should he is a stupid hypocrite. I feel there are many incorrect statements here.

One big one is that global warming was not discovered by Al Gore but rather the US government. In the 1950's the government believed that global warming was taking place. By the 1980's they believed that humans are contributing to it to an extent. I do not have a link for this fact as it was covered in a recent pbs special. The same special highlighted how the US army is trying to deal with global warming. One innovation they have made is roll up solar panels. The pentagon has warned Bush, Obama, and the nation that global warming is a real issue. One such time can be read here http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...ws.theobserver

Who would you think would be the smartest people in the nation. What comes to my mind is NASA. Well NASA also strongly believes that global warming is a serious issue. Nasa has actually come to ceongress multiple times to warn people about global warming. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108789.html

NASA even set up a site to inform people about global warming. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_108789.html

I know what most of you are nwo thinking. You are saying, "Okay so what? You have talked about everyone except for the climate scientists themselves." A recent study took the top thousand or so climate researchers, all that had written at least 20 papers on the subject. They were ranked by the number of papers they had published. Of the top 50 only 2% did not believe that humans have an effect on global warming. Of the top 200 only 2.5% did not believe. This seems like pretty solid evidence to prove that the majority of scientists believe it really exists. http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/...limate-change/

Most civilized countries do not think of global warming as an issue for just the right or left but for the world. I feel if there was not a political background to the issue maybe there would be less deniers. Either way I think most deniers should consider that it could be real and also that most believers should consider that it could be false. Hope some of you found this interesting.

EDIT: Sorry if this is considered to political. I will edit it if needed.
Deniers != skeptics.

Of course it's a political issue. The IPCC is a political organisation, not a scientific organisation.

Are you convinced the world is warming, and not cooling? Are you convinced that that is out of the ordinary? Are you convinced it is caused by humans? Are you convinced it is a bad thing?

The truth is, anyone on either side of the issue can pull up any number of credible sources to "prove" what they're saying; so the research itself is inconclusive.
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You're dodging the question. A change in the sun's output is entirely relevant because, if it does change the earth's temperature, that is an unaccounted variable in any climate change model. You cannot attribute warming effects to changes in greenhouse gases if you ignore changes in the sun. There is not enough evidence to state that "it might drop a couple of degrees but it wouldn't have dropped as much as it has, hurr". Speaking of which, how much do you think the earth's temperatures have dropped by? I thought the "consensus" was a warming effect
I took a suppliment course known as Earth and Atmosphere Science. Solar energy flux is one of the first things they teach you when studying the climate. It is by far NOT an "unaccounted varible" to climate change.

Actually, with a relatively quick calculation (being after drawing massive amounts of data from numerous weather stations) you can effectively determine the global solar flux and compare it to predicted values.

Where do you get your stuff from?

This so called consensus is actual readings of the North Pole over a period of a few decades by my understanding.

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The truth is, anyone on either side of the issue can pull up any number of credible sources to "prove" what they're saying; so the research itself is inconclusive.
Not at all. Because, frankly, when most people attempt to counter any claim made by these "scientists" is usually based on random google articles. Ones who actually hold value are those who have studied climate and throwing around academic papers. Frankly, that arguement is the difference between high school level art students and university level Ph.D studies.
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Deniers != skeptics.

Of course it's a political issue. The IPCC is a political organisation, not a scientific organisation.

Are you convinced the world is warming, and not cooling? Are you convinced that that is out of the ordinary? Are you convinced it is caused by humans? Are you convinced it is a bad thing?

The truth is, anyone on either side of the issue can pull up any number of credible sources to "prove" what they're saying; so the research itself is inconclusive.
The vast majority of emperical evidence and credible sources agree that it is happening.

Its human nature to resist change. It's also human nature to want to wait until the last minute to make necessary changes. You can see those 2 at work in almost every aspect of our society and global warming, whether it TRULY exists to the level many think it does or not, is no exception.
    
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Please people, leave global warming out of this discussion, it has nothing to do with short-term cycles of the Sun (whether you believe it or not, neither side uses these cycles in their argument). Bringing up global warming in this thread makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about (or just makes it glaringly obvious).
Yes, we shouldn't mention this in conjunction with Global Warming, much like the people who believe it.

edit: Also, lets not mention the people who fall for the Prius gimmick. lol
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