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I have changed from fixed volts on cpu OC to offset and i would just like to know are use using offset with Intel speedstep on or off? i currently have it off. For a 4.8Ghz OC using the asus z68 vpro/gen 3 whcih settings are use using at the moment for stable OC with offset?
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@thisisnuts, please reflash your current BIOS version with reflash command to ensure, that it isn't a BIOS or NVRAM corruption.
This BIOS thing is a bit hard to understand, but I'll try anyway. There are 3-5 regions in BIOS image file on modern boards with Intel chipsets:
1. Descriptor (BIOS map, regions access settings, PCI straps)
2. GbE (Integrated Intel LAN MAC and settings, can be absent)
3. ME (Management engine firmware)
4. BIOS (Actual BIOS code)
5. PDR (Absent on ASUS desktop boards)
ASUS BIOS flashing tools like EZ Flash or BUpdater can update only BIOS region from image file, bit there are all regions in that file itself.
That is why you can use BIOS image file as a source of ME or GbE firmware, but you need third-party tools to flash them.
There is 2 different mechanisms of updating ME region: from BIOS image file and from BIN-file with MEUpdate (aka FwUpdLcl).
First method is available only on boards with unlocked ME region, but it has no limitations.
Second method is official Intel method and it works regardless of ME lock, but it has limitations like inability to downgrade ME version to blacklisted ones and it can't repair corrupted ME firmware at all.
CodeRush, thanks. I generally download the new BIOS from (station-drivers), copy it to thumb drive, reboot into the BIOS and use the Asus EZ Flash 2 Utility. The current BIOS for me is "P8Z68-V-PRO-ASUS-3603.ROM". The BSOD problem has now migrated it way to me running my portable utorrent on a thumb drive. In the past I had no issue at all. Now if I initiate a download with portable utorrent (running off my flash stick) 10 minutes into the process...BSOD. It happens all the time now. Now I'm thinking that it can't be a faulty component on the board.
In reference to your suggestion. I've re-downloaded the same BIOS again from station-drivers just to be sure. Now I've read through your steps. There is "FTK_0.9.3_dos" and "FTK_0.9.3_win - win32". Should I copy ""FTK_0.9.3_dos" to a flash stick and include the new BIOS "P8Z68-V-PRO-ASUS-3603.ROM" by renaming it "bios.bin" then reboot the PC into DOS using Hiren's Boot CD and then execute "reflash.bat"?

or

Can I use "FTK_0.9.3_win --> win32" by place the current BIOS "P8Z68-V-PRO-ASUS-3603.ROM" by renaming it "bios.bin" in that same folder and execute "reflash.bin". Is it possible to flash the board BIOS in windows?

Thanks again. I'm hoping the issue is a corrupt BIOS because I've tried everything. I did try flasg=hing the current BIOS over agian using the EZ Flash 2, but that didn't help at all.
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Originally Posted by SeekerZA View Post

I have changed from fixed volts on cpu OC to offset and i would just like to know are use using offset with Intel speedstep on or off? i currently have it off. For a 4.8Ghz OC using the asus z68 vpro/gen 3 whcih settings are use using at the moment for stable OC with offset?


The whole point of using offset method of overclocking would be moot if speedstep is not enabled. So I would absolutely enable it which allows the power saving features to function properly vs the static vcore of the manual method of overclocking. However it's important to understand two things #1 what vcore is required for x16 idle state and #2 what vcore is required for a given overclock. About #1, you want to know what the minimum voltage is to avoid the idle time BSOD this is easily checked by using default settings take note in windows using CPUz what the vcore value is when @ x16 multi. because using offset will also effect the idle time vcore the same amount it does when under load. You want to make sure it doesn't drop below what you noted earlier. About #2, when establishing what your procs vcore requirement is for a given overclock using the manual mode is quit effective because you are eliminating any confusion the power saving features might cause. It's important to test for stability in the manual mode so you know for sure what the upper vcore requirement is for a given clock which allows you some assurance when you convert to offset mode in terms of knowing what your offset should be to achieve that load vcore. Depending on what your clock is LLC requirement will vary but at least you know what to look for having walk yourself through the manual method. In other words It's some what of a balancing act to tune in offset mode properly but understanding those two requirements is paramount to getting it right becaue you know what to look for on the upper scale and lower idle states when attempting to find the right offset settings.

 

This explanation is quit simple yet quit effective and there are many more nuances to consider that have been discussed in minute detail here in these forums and I suggest you read through this thread as much as you can. For example I use speedstep, enabled and disable C3 & C6 power states & CPU Spread spectrum in bios with a .07+ offset and enable maximum performance in windows for my 4.8 overclock. YMMV as dictated by your procs actual requirements.

 

edit added link http://www.overclock.net/t/1012874/the-official-asus-p8p67-p8z68-p8z68-gen3-series-owners-club/0_50

Read carefully through the OP here (page 1) in specific the overclocking section and known issues, then the last few pages there because using offset properly has been discussed in terms of the math used to establish the proper vcore requirement. I would also read through this toot which gives a proper explanation of how and why to use offset mode. Even though it's geared towards ROG boards the only real difference is the bios settings are slightly different than your board, for example where you choose LLC but, the premise is identical and is explained in easy to understand terms. The differences should be self explanatory and easy to convert for your purposes. GL


Edited by owcraftsman - 1/4/13 at 4:37am
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@thisisnuts, use Windows version if you can boot to Windows, rename your bios file to bios.bin and run reflash.bat as administrator. Then run poweroff.bat as administrator. Go to BIOS and check BIOS and ME versions, then test if BSODs are gone. Report here.
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@thisisnuts, use Windows version if you can boot to Windows, rename your bios file to bios.bin and run reflash.bat as administrator. Then run poweroff.bat as administrator. Go to BIOS and check BIOS and ME versions, then test if BSODs are gone. Report here.
CodeRush all went well with the BIOS "reflash.bat" followed by the "poweroff.bat". This is what was displayed during the flashing. BIOS re-flash.bat.jpg 59k .jpg file
On boot up, I went into the BIOS. The following is what was displayed:
Bios Version........................3603x64
Build Date............................11/09/2012
EC Version...........................MBECE-0022
ME Version...........................8.0.2.1410
South Bridge Stepping......B3

This is just an observation that I thought I'd mention. Prior to doing the above, I had downgraded all my drivers and wanted to downgrade the firmware for the ME. So I had used FTK_0.9.3_win and meupdate.bat and applied ME 8.1.10.1286. So even after I had done that and gotten the BSOD again. I decided to flash the BIOS again using the typical Asus EZ Flash 2 Utility in the BIOS. After that flash, I noticed that the ME Version still stayed the same with what I had downgraded to (8.1.10.1286).
Now that I have used your reflash.bat, I see that the ME version now has changed to 8.0.2.1410. Which is a question that I had asked earlier about the ME version that comes with the BIOS. I initially saw that when I had used your FD44Editor_0.8.4_win to examine the current BIOS (3603).
In 24 hours I'll report back and see if I get any BSOD.
Strange, just saw this. In device manager I now have a yellow question Mark for "USB Device" All drivers are loaded and I've never had that displayed since I got the board back in May 2011. Not sure if it's pertaining to the USB 3.0. Two days ago I had upgrade to the new firmware ASMedia USB 3.0 Firmware v120816 and the ASMedia XHCI Controller Driver says v1.14.8.0 in the Device Manager-->Universal Serial Bus controllers.
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Spoke too soon. Just got it again, BSOD. IMG_1002.jpg 82k .jpg file
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Then your problem appears to be hardware one, I think. Nothing more can be done with BIOS flashing.
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Then your problem appears to be hardware one, I think. Nothing more can be done with BIOS flashing.
Thanks CodeRush. Guess I'll have to call Asus. There are two more things I'll try first. I was wondering if the pagefile settings may have something to do with it. Generally I redirect the page file to a separate HD from the one that has the OS. But this time I decided to do the following.
On the HD with the OS, I have the following setting:
C: [Local Disk].........300 - 300 (MB)
G: [ELEMENTS]........5250 - 5250 (MB)
I'm trying to recall if I did anything differently when the BSOD started happening. Generally I create images of my OS using Hiren's Boot CD. I think the last time I stored an image of my OS I may have made a change to where the pagefile is located. Well I left the utorrent going now for 4 hours and no BSOD. At this point I was getting a BSOD.
The other thing I may try is removing the descrete video card NVIDIA GeForce GT 240 and have the system utilize the on-die Intel video on the 2500k.

Also any thoughts why I may have in Device Manager-->? Other devices-->? USB Device. Never seen that before until I did the reflash. I know that I have all the drivers loaded as before.
Again thanks for your help.
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Hi all,
one question on fan headers: on the p8z68-v gen3 CHA_FAN1 is 4-pin while CHA_FAN2 is only 3-pin. However, the manual says (page 2-26):
Quote:
Only the CPU_FAN, CHA_FAN1 and CHA_FAN2 connectors support the Asus Fan Xpert feature

Should I understand that even CHA_FAN2 (3-pin) will be able to modulate the (non-pwm) fan speed ?

I have a Fractal Design Arc Midi with the 3 fans (stock, 2 front intake, 1 back outtake) hooked to a NZXT Sentry Mesh, but as I've added a 2nd 6850 I may be interested in adding a fan (top or bottom) and having some of the fans with varying speed according to the case temperature. Toughts ?

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Is it possible to install FanXpert without installing AI Suite II? Which FanXpert version should I use for my board? Does the latest version (for Z77 board) work on my board (Z68)?
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