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Originally Posted by timAHH;13939342 
Just out of curiosity, can you read? Look what he says in the very post you are referring to:

you don't see Intel blaming defective drives on cables, do you? yet the probability that Intel drives are affected by "bad cables" is just as high as OCZ drives.

the fact that they're talking about cables demonstrates that OCZ has no intention of solving this problem 100% - they'll instead solve the problem for a majority of the users and blame the remaining complaints on "bad cables".
     
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you don't see Intel blaming defective drives on cables, do you? yet the probability that Intel drives are affected by "bad cables" is just as high as OCZ drives.

the fact that they're talking about cables demonstrates that OCZ has no intention of solving this problem 100% - they'll instead solve the problem for a majority of the users and blame the remaining complaints on "bad cables".

You're wrong.

Intel isn't having issue or have some guy named tony on a support forum updating you
and offering their advice.

He isn't blaming cables and is merely giving insight to double check them as they do. Indeed. Go bad.... which happened to them
     
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How hard is this concept to understand: Bad cables or bad contact will either work at reduced speed or not detect the drive at all. It will never happen that it finds the drive, works with it for hours and then proceeds to BSOD. If it does that, then one of three things has a problem: either the firmware on the drive controller or the OS driver or you shook the hell out of the SATA header(on the mobo or on the drive).

The drive controller and the OS driver negotiate speeds based on the signal strengths seen on the cable on both sides. If the negotiations go through fine as per spec, it should work or work at reduced speed or not work at all.
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How hard is this concept to understand: Bad cables or bad contact will either work at reduced speed or not detect the drive at all. It will never happen that it finds the drive, works with it for hours and then proceeds to BSOD. If it does that, then one of three things has a problem: either the firmware on the drive controller or the OS driver or you shook the hell out of the SATA header(on the mobo or on the drive).

The drive controller and the OS driver negotiate speeds based on the signal strengths seen on the cable on both sides. If the negotiations go through fine as per spec, it should work or work at reduced speed or not work at all.

It's the fact that your concept is wrong -- It does matter. What if it cuts out while the computer is active... you bsod.

That has happened to me multiple times on my 800D case. I kept thinking it was the back planes, I'd try differen't sata ports, same thing, tried different backplanes, same thing.

I was like screw this, let's try a new sata cable (they do go bad)... and wala

Fixed it. -- No more BSODS. Don't ask me "HOW" it does that, but it does.
     
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What if it cuts out while the computer is active... you bsod.
Why would it startup, detect it, then work fine and then cut out, without you disturbing the system in any way?

You are discounting the effect of bad firmware just saying "hello, I will take this bad cable as good and work with it". OS driver saying "oh well, go ahead". And then,firmware can't really get the commands that OS driver sends and OS driver decides to BSOD because it can't really see the drive anymore.

So, who is at fault here? Bad cable or the bad firmware not detecting the bad cable?

Firmware has bugs you know. Like when the firmware writers forget to follow the specs or when they follow the specs but code is just bad. And these bugs typically need to be fixed, otherwise they bite you later.
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Why would it startup, detect it, then work fine and then cut out, without you disturbing the system in any way?

You are discounting the effect of bad firmware just saying "hello, I will take this bad cable as good and work with it". OS driver saying "oh well, go ahead". And then,firmware can't really get the commands that OS driver sends and OS driver decides to BSOD because it can't really see the drive anymore.

So, who is at fault here? Bad cable or the bad firmware not detecting the bad cable?

Firmware has bugs you know. Like when the firmware writers forget to follow the specs or when they follow the specs but code is just bad. And these bugs typically need to be fixed, otherwise they bite you later.

Now you're changing your argument -- It was originally about the Sata cables, regardless as to if it's for the DVD drive, HDD, or SSD

If it's for an SSD or an HDD -- It can cause a BSOD... many things can cause a BSOD. Your PSU's connectors working and then not working can cause a BSOD.

I'm not denying that the firmware is at fault, I'm just saying quit blaming OCZ saying that "They are blaming Sata cables", with your argument that it 'can't be cables'... when it can.

They aren't HDMI cables you know. That either work or they don't... that's comparing apples to oranges.

OCZ was just informing everyone to double check what can also be at fault... it's good practice
     
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Now you're changing your argument -- It was originally about the Sata cables, regardless as to if it's for the DVD drive, HDD, or SSD
Go ahead and read my post and point out where I have changed the story. I talked about negotiations between drive controller firmware and OS driver before and same negotiations in the last post.

Anyway, I am going to stop now. Thanks for your patience! You are sold on OCZ just as I was (read my sig) till this whole fiasco with Vertex 2 and 3 started. Nothing I say is going to change your opinion on what's really going on.
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Go ahead and read my post and point out where I have changed the story. I talked about negotiations between drive controller firmware and OS driver before and same negotiations in the last post.

Anyway, I am going to stop now. Thanks for your patience! You are sold on OCZ just as I was (read my sig) till this whole fiasco with Vertex 2 and 3 started. Nothing I say is going to change your opinion on what's really going on.

Your problem is that you assume too much. I wasn't denying that there are problems, you made an argument about Sata cables can't be a culprit, when they can....

Have fun, glad you're stopping.
     
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Have you ever heard of certified SATA cables? Because he was recommending that they're the only decent ones...

On a positive note, memory express is exchanging my vertex 3 for an intel 510 15 days after their 7 day return policy.
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On a positive note, memory express is exchanging my vertex 3 for an intel 510 15 days after their 7 day return policy.

Haha, guess they're aware of the whole situation!
Good news there. I'm still waiting for OCZ for confirm receipt of my returned Vertex 3. Hopefully they pay attention to my cover letter (or my RMA details) and do not just post me a replacement. The refund will take place after they receive my drive, I guess.
    
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